| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 31, 2007, 10:19 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by universexf6
Hello guys.
I have not played at online cainos for some time a bit long
but recently started playing again.
I didn't know Phoenician is now in this Casino Rewards group
and from reading your past postings I realized they got
inferior in quality than before.
Please, someone tell me, should I refrain from playing at
this casinio if I expect the same quality with Phoenician before
the buyout??
Phoenician was sold to CR from Casino Action, after being bought by them and converted from RTG to Microgaming. In order to experience Phoenician in it's former glory, just look at the accredited list for the remaining 5 Casino Action casinos and either reinstall one, or join a new one. Don't expect to be showered with bonuses, but there are many prizes to be won in three tournaments each week. Further, if you sign up to one through Simmo's Slotjunkies link you can enter another tournament that ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: universexf6 at October 25, 2007, 2:52 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Hello guys.
I have not played at online cainos for some time a bit long
but recently started playing again.
I didn't know Phoenician is now in this Casino Rewards group
and from reading your past postings I realized they got
inferior in quality than before.
Please, someone tell me, should I refrain from playing at
this casinio if I expect the same quality with Phoenician before
the buyout??
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| Posted by: MarcyW at October 18, 2007, 3:22 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by casinocide
CR is run by good people who are ery loyal to the owners. I just hope they make the right decision and refrain from engaging in anything that could be considered "flat out theft".
Nice that they are loyal to their owners. Would be nicer though if they were loyal to their players.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 9, 2007, 2:17 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Why don't they enforce the rules with the software. It CAN be done, read the damn operators manual!
They can remove expert mode (see Phoenician VP and blackjack).
They can also lower the bet maxima on an individual player basis (see recent tale from player who suddenly found their MG account limited to mere $10 max bet at Blackjack).
They CAN use the software to exclude these kinds of irregular play, but CHOOSE INSTEAD to rely on the terms and conditions, accepting the bet & moaning later that the player played an unfair strategy. I have no sympathy in this case for the casinos because the software endor has provided mechanisms to limit bets that they decline to utilise.
In the case of the "grind", 32Red have upped the MINIMUM on their Blackjack to $2, so the software can prevent both the big opening bet AND the steady grind, even on slots (see that some have Tomb Raider at 5c min coin, see- can be done).
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| Posted by: sdaddy at October 5, 2007, 6:05 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sancho
1 - What is one supposed to do when his balance gets really low? If you can't ever put more than 50% of your balance on one bet you could eventually get stuck with playing penny bets for hours, couldn't you?
Yes, sancho, a couple of us earlier in this thread have brought up this same scenario to highlight how poorly worded this rule is. Indeed there is nothing one can do in certain situations to avoid iolating this rule, and, therefore, it is unfair IMO.
As I stated earlier, the rule should instead say that one cannot ever bet a majority of the starting balance after receiving the bonus. This would still preserve the intent of the rule but avoid the problems in the way it's currently worded.
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| Posted by: sancho at October 5, 2007, 5:29 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
13. Other practices of playing behaviour which may lead to the casino withholding cashins and/or confiscating all winnings include, but are not limited to, placing single bets whereby the wager consists of the majority of the total available balance and the bonus balance contributing to a significant portion of that balance. Should the casino deem that practices such as this have been utilized, the casino reserves the right to withhold any cashins and/or confiscate all winnings. "
Even though I think that expressions such as 'not limited to' and 'practices such as this' give the casino way to much room for abusively confiscating winnings, I have a couple of questions regarding rule 13 :
1 - What is one supposed to do when his balance gets really low? If you can't ever put more than 50% of your balance on one bet you could eventually get stuck with playing penny bets for hours, couldn't you?
2 - Is putting two halves of one's whole balance on tw... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: poser at September 26, 2007, 9:58 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
Oh, for Pete's sake, most players use some sort of strategy when playing roulette, baccarat or the like. The casinos should know clearly that there is no fool-proof system to beat the house so why are they so concerned about the pattern that you play. Even if you had bet on RED/BLACK or ODD/EVEN simultaneously, you would still stand a small chance of losing everything so I dont really understand how they can say they dont like the pattern of your wagering. The next time players ask for a withdrawal, they will be asking for identification and then decline your winnings by saying that you look like amoney launderer and the risk department will only refund your deposit to you. These casinos rot.
Well, but as MOST of us might know, there are many ways to beat the house with betting in a special way. Of cos not with one deposit and not with all bonusses, but if you play enough with good bonusses, you will make profit, when you play in a special w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: asidea at September 26, 2007, 6:07 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
I have deposited with Casino classic and have won a few GPB or so, and have always been paid within a reasonable period, so I can find no problem with Casino Classic.
I used to recieve free rewards form Captain Cook casino ia the previous management, even a couple of birthday and x'mas cards, and always with a free no deposit bonus attached.But under the new management have not heard a zip.
As to the rests of the casino rewards group casino - I have no comments, as I have never played there, much less deposited.
So..sorry you are having problems with them, hope it will be sorted out soon for yea.
Cheers.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at September 26, 2007, 5:03 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
Those guys just now figuring out how to play? I played that way for years. Crank it up and swing for the bleachers. If you get a nice win, pull back on the throttle and coast to the finish line. Who knew it was irregular play? Now one often goes broke doing this, but there are some nice wins.
But no, the rules are not good enough.
The irregular play rules are so poorly defined they are not enforcable. At some point one will often have to bet a large part of your existing bankroll and iolate rule 12. In fact, if he didn't, there is so little left that you grind out at the minimun and iolate rule 13.
If they want to limit flux, write the rule so it is clear and understandable. The max bet till wagering requirements are met is .... whatever it is. That's for rule 12.
You can't have the second rule. You can't say betting the minimum or any particular amount is irregular betting. You are just insisting on irrespo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stanford at September 26, 2007, 4:54 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Whether you like these terms or not, they are there - and there is not much that you can do about it except to avoid these casinos if you are planing to play this way.
Most of you are aware that a few months ago, several MG casino groups were hit by a massive fraud ring that played the exact same way - making a deposit, taking the bonus, and placing it all on one bet, and if the player won, they would grind the wagering requirements away with roulette, etc. The casinos locked all accounts that exhibited this sort of action mainly because they did not like the way the players played. (not to mention about +60% of these accounts were fraudsters).
The main outcry was that there was nothing in the terms and conditions that prohibited this sort of play - the players should be paid. The Fortune Lounge group was rouged mainly because of this subjectivity. Rules need to be clear-cut.
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| Posted by: sdaddy at September 25, 2007, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Most of you are aware that a few months ago, several MG casino groups were hit by a massive fraud ring that played the exact same way - making a deposit, taking the bonus, and placing it all on one bet, and if the player won, they would grind the wagering requirements away with roulette, etc. The casinos locked all accounts that exhibited this sort of action mainly because they did not like the way the players played. (not to mention about +60% of these accounts were fraudsters).
I appreciate that new rules were written to stop such activity, and I don't deny that the casino has every right to prohibit it in its promotional T&C. Like I said, however, it's all about how it's worded. Saying that a majority of the player's available balance is the maximum allowed bet, you not only stop the large wager on the initial bet, but you can have the unintented effect where the player who followed the rules has a small balance left after a peri... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at September 25, 2007, 8:01 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Rouged? Shame on you Bryan.
Flame away, but I have to say I agree 110% with the above post. The complaint was that the style of play used was not prohibited by the terms as they were written at that time. And I agreed at that time. Now they HAVE added in specific types of play that are prohibited, and people are still complaining?
As Bryan said, if you don't like the terms, then don't play there....OR, don't use a bonus. Make a straight deposit, wager it in one shot on roulette, and IF you win, withdraw your deposit and winnings. I doubt you'll have any problems.
Now I do have a problem with the bonus clause in the thread below/above this one re: Playshare. That seems to be something else entirely.
Seems there is ery little left that is not rogue in this entire industry(once you get beyond the BS typical of cult like leaders and followers). What a shame and I do not and will not play until???????????
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| Posted by: Pinababy69 at September 25, 2007, 7:53 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Casinomeister
Whether you like these terms or not, they are there - and there is not much that you can do about it except to avoid these casinos if you are planing to play this way.
The main outcry was that there was nothing in the terms and conditions that prohibited this sort of play - the players should be paid. The Fortune Lounge group was rouged mainly because of this subjectivity. Rules need to be clear-cut.
So now these casinos have included these terms, and it's still not good enough for you?
This is BONUS money and not your money. The casino has every right to dictate how this can be played out. If you don't like it, move on to something else.
Rouged? Shame on you Bryan.
Flame away, but I have to say I agree 110% with the above post. In regards to Fortune Lounge, the complaint was that the style of play used was not prohibited by the terms as they were written at that time. And I agreed at that tim... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lojo at September 25, 2007, 7:52 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
To use a bonus I have to decide to devalue my money and comingle it with theirs while at the same time agreeing to terms that don't really resemble a fair wager. +EV or -EV be damned, it is something altogether different than 'Gambling' even if there is risk involved.
I plan to do just one more sub and then swear them off forever. If I get some play after my initial stake is gone, I'll be thankful and hope to eventually cash out. If I hit something decent while I'm playing with my devalued, comingled money, I'll rue the day I ever heard the word 'Bonus' as it will indeed be 'Malus' to me.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 25, 2007, 7:34 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
12.Observations of playing patterns such as the playing of equal, zero margin or hedge betting may not be considered as playing in the appropriate spirit for the purposes of meeting bonus wagering requirements. Should the Casino deem that these practices have been utilized for the specific purpose of meeting wagering requirements, the casino reserves the right to withhold any cashins and/or confiscate all winnings.
13.Other practices of playing behaviour which may lead to the casino withholding cashins and/or confiscating all winnings include, but are not limited to, placing single bets whereby the wager consists of the majority of the total available balance and the bonus balance contributing to a significant portion of that balance. Should the casino deem that practices such as this have been utilized, the casino reserves the right to withhold any cashins and/or confiscate all winnings.
Whether you like these terms or not, they are there - and there is not m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sdaddy at September 25, 2007, 6:16 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Stanford
As to 13, I start out with a $25 bonus and a 150 balance. I get down to $35 and hail mary. I win and hail mary again. Did I break the terms of 13.
These terms are so unfair as to not be enforceable. They are the old bonus abuse term renamed.
You've made me re-think my position, and now I agree that rule 13 is unfair and unworkable as well.
I must confess that at first I didn't read the rule closely enough and didn't appreciate that it prohibits betting majority of the current player's balance and not the original balance. That makes all the difference in the world as far as fairness is concerned. That is, the player could have assiduously avoided making large bets since receiving a bonus, but then find himself left with a balance so small that it is almost unavoidable to make a bet less than a "majority" of his balance.
Great post.
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| Posted by: lojo at September 25, 2007, 3:27 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Leave it Stanford to cut right through the bullshine
When you put it that way... "bet was placed, bet was accepted, player won, pay up" it goes right to the heart of the matter.
Bonuses are the scourge of online gambling and I will have to concede that until the SW simply refuses bets or accepts bets the T&C are nothing more than mumbo-jumbo. My only defense is to not use a bonus, and if I do, I am risking my funds foolishly.
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| Posted by: pangloss at September 25, 2007, 2:46 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
The current MG (eCOGRA) casinos marketing regime (to new players) includes standard fare such as:
1. False and outrageous promises of “free money” or “bonus money” splashed loudly across Casino home pages.
2. T+Cs, contained in the finest of fine print, revealing onerous WRs and restricted game play that render so-called “free money” and/or “bonus money” irtually worthless.
3. The newly introduced T+C#13 (aka “irregular play”) with its sole purpose of preventing optimum Player spending patterns in favor of careless and reckless wagers coveted by the offending Casino. Such optimum Player spending is ironically deemed “irregular”, consciously shifting the integrity of otherwise perfectly legitimate and sensible behavior, away from the Player. Consequently, the mandated Penalty (confiscation of winnings) of “irregular play” transforms the Player into “an offender” of T+Cs for the heinous crime of merely playing his cards right.
It is on this bedrock of probity and practice t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chuchu59 at September 25, 2007, 4:02 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi Stanford,
Long time between posts. On 12, there are only a handful of games that could count as hedging ie red/black or odds/even and sector betting on roulette, player and banker on baccarat and bets on sic bo. The casino could make an exhaustive list so that confusion does not arise. As for zero margin, I recall a game called fantan where the dealer stores away an unspecified amount of white chessspieces(cant remember the term) and the player can bet on any number from 1-4 paying 4-1 for any number. The dealer then reveals the chesspieces and spreads them out in units of 4. The remainder is the winning number. There wasnt any commission involved when I played so I am not sure what house edge they had.
13 is ridiculous and no elaboration is needed as you have already set out the arguments against it clearly.
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| Posted by: Stanford at September 25, 2007, 3:42 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by dancinggoon
Great post!!!! :
Stop playing and withdrawing winnings is an import part of responsible gaming, or iam missing something here?
But even if the player does the opposite and plays ery risky with his funds, he has only a small chance to win. If he does, they just stealing the winnings.
Yep. You are missing something. This Casino reneged on a bet.
Here are the terms in question:
"12. Observations of playing patterns such as the playing of equal, zero margin or hedge betting may not be considered as playing in the appropriate spirit for the purposes of meeting bonus wagering requirements. Should the Casino deem that these practices have been utilized for the specific purpose of meeting wagering requirements, the casino reserves the right to withhold any cashins and/or confiscate all winnings.
13. Other practices of playing behaviour which may lead to the casino withholding cashins and... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cyprean at September 22, 2007, 10:50 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
Twelve and thirteen together equal a strategy of manipulation that is clearly not acceptable to the CR group.
Do we know of any incidences where, without using a bonus, these terms were invoked? Not likely because the methods, when used together, are not EBM.
Granted, 13 should not be able to be used against a player if not in conjunction with another 'strategy', because it is incumbant upon the casino to set the wagering requirements and invocation of an FU clause like that, by itself, would be unfair BUT it is a term the player agrees to.
That said, I would agree with you that the existence or invocation of thirteen alone, without a bonus(and I understand it isn't delineated in the eCogra policy) would place the casino in a position of breaching the responsible gaming terms of their agreement with eCogra.
So, where do we go from here? Add another fifteen layers of legalese to the T&C? The casinos will cont... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: lojo at September 22, 2007, 8:19 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Twelve and thirteen together equal a strategy of manipulation that is clearly not acceptable to the CR group.
Do we know of any incidences where, without using a bonus, these terms were invoked? Not likely because the methods, when used together, are not EBM.
Granted, 13 should not be able to be used against a player if not in conjunction with another 'strategy', because it is incumbant upon the casino to set the wagering requirements and invocation of an FU clause like that, by itself, would be unfair BUT it is a term the player agrees to.
That said, I would agree with you that the existence or invocation of thirteen alone, without a bonus(and I understand it isn't delineated in the eCogra policy) would place the casino in a position of breaching the responsible gaming terms of their agreement with eCogra.
So, where do we go from here? Add another fifteen layers of legalese to the T&C? The casinos will continue to modify the bonus terms as long as bonuses... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dancinggoon at September 22, 2007, 12:54 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Great post!!!! :
It shows the fu***** double moral of these operations, you are damm right, that these rogues will hammer on any player that trys to minimize the risk of loosing his bankroll, before he is going to withdrawl his winnings.
Stop playing and withdrawing winnings is an import part of responsible gaming, or iam missing something here?
But even if the player does the opposite and plays ery risky with his funds, he has only a small chance to win. If he does, they just stealing the winnings.
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| Posted by: pangloss at September 22, 2007, 7:44 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
That's an interesting hypothesis, but I'm afraid it is subjective opinion. Many casinos have adopted or adapted the FL rules about this kind of wagering. The simple test is this, imo: If no bonus were involved, would you bet half or all of your bankroll on one game and then go on to grind the balance with near even money bets? Not likely, and would you consider that to be 'responsible gambling'? I wouldn't, but that is subjective.
As a reminder eCOGRA purports:
The underlying philosophy of eCOGRA is based on the achievement of the objectives of player protection, fair gaming and responsible conduct by operators
Responsible Gaming is codified within the eGAP (Generally Accepted Practice) document, specifically under Player Protection 103 and attending regulations.
A cursory reading of the regulations does not disclose any mention or reference to a Bonus or Bonus play. One can confidently conclude the application o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sdaddy at September 21, 2007, 10:49 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
They've always had an FU clause, don't all casinos? But after that incident they added the hedge betting, etc. term so that it's fair (or will at least pass eCogra mustard)
At CR it is now terms 12 and 13.
No, not all casinos have such clauses. Reputable groups like Trident, for example, do not.
The reason I wanted to nail down whether or not this "bonus abuse" clause was there during the Fortune Lounge case is because I want to establish the precedent that even though the clause was in the T&C that still was not seen as a legitimate defense against FL being classified as rogue.
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| Posted by: lojo at September 21, 2007, 9:58 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by pangloss
...Accordingly the subject T+Cs ought to be ruled invalid lest the Responsible Gaming platitudes touted by eCOGRA be seen for what they are worth....
That's an interesting hypothesis, but I'm afraid it is subjective opinion. Many casinos have adopted or adapted the FL rules about this kind of wagering. The simple test is this, imo: If no bonus were involved, would you bet half or all of your bankroll on one game and then go on to grind the balance with near even money bets? Not likely, and would you consider that to be 'responsible gambling'? I wouldn't, but that is subjective.
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| Posted by: lojo at September 21, 2007, 9:52 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
For the record, in that case did Fortune Lounge have any language in the T&C permitting confiscation of winnings because of "bonus abuse" or some similar subjective criteria? If it did and Casinomeister still ruled against them, this could be important to the complaint just posted by swiftjames.
They've always had an FU clause, don't all casinos? But after that incident they added the hedge betting, etc. term so that it's fair (or will at least pass eCogra mustard)
At CR it is now terms 12 and 13.
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| Posted by: pangloss at September 21, 2007, 1:41 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
"Majority" would specifically cover any bet greater than HALF the balance.
The subject term specifically states the orignal BR bet MUST include a portion of the bonus. Elsewhere it states when placing wagers credits from the CASH balance are used first before credits from the BONUS balance.
If one had a starting balance of $200 ($100 CASH / $100 BONUS) then I can not see how $100 wagers would offend the subject #13 T+C.
#12 of the T+C applies to equal, hedge or zero risk betting which is specifically aimed at betting BLACK/RED, HIGH/LOW and other type of play where the player seeks to cover all available betting options. It specifically CAN NOT apply and characterised to a series of minimum bet wagers on say ODD numbers on a Roulette wheel.
Moreover, players using an optimum bet-size strategy are attempting to manage their BR effectively and efficiently in order to reduce risk and loss of thei... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sdaddy at September 21, 2007, 1:33 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
In the Fortune Lounge case, Casinomeister sided with players because FL had NO term forbidding such play, and said FL should add such a term if this play was not allowed. CR have added such a term, so this is why winnings were confiscated.
For the record, in that case did Fortune Lounge have any language in the T&C permitting confiscation of winnings because of "bonus abuse" or some similar subjective criteria? If it did and Casinomeister still ruled against them, this could be important to the complaint just posted by swiftjames.
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| Posted by: swiftjames at September 21, 2007, 12:56 am | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Captain Cooks did this to me as well - I sent an eCogra dispute and PAB'd yesterday. I hope something comes of it!
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Hello James
Your account has been locked following an audit into your gameplay. You have breached our terms and conditions by grinding out your wagering requirements with small, low risk wagers on roulette. Please refer to the bonus account terms and conditions.
http://www.captaincookscasino.com/he...ions.asp#Bonus
Your deposit will be refunded to your Click 2 pay account.
Kind Regards
Jon
Casino Rewards
Risk Management
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at September 20, 2007, 11:43 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by sdaddy
If you would have stuck with that, then I would have backed you up as far as not iolating any specific T&C. It's that initial bet that appears to iolate rule #13, because it was a "majority" of your available balance.
The bottom line is, however, their T&Cs permit confiscating winnings if, for whatever reason, they determine you are iolating the "spirit" of the bonus, so it's really pointless to try to figure out how you can and can't play. My advice: just play with bonuses at casinos with clear T&Cs, and you'll avoid any future headaches.
"Majority" would specifically cover any bet greater than HALF the balance.
In the Fortune Lounge case, Casinomeister sided with players because FL had NO term forbidding such play, and said FL should add such a term if this play was not allowed. CR have added such a term, so this is why winnings were confiscated.
I do not agree so much with the o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sdaddy at September 20, 2007, 6:54 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nickelars
Let's consider I didn't bet my full roll, and just wagered on french roulette, would that also be a stupid way of playing? Why wager on any other game than french roulette?
If you would have stuck with that, then I would have backed you up as far as not iolating any specific T&C. It's that initial bet that appears to iolate rule #13, because it was a "majority" of your available balance.
The bottom line is, however, their T&Cs permit confiscating winnings if, for whatever reason, they determine you are iolating the "spirit" of the bonus, so it's really pointless to try to figure out how you can and can't play. My advice: just play with bonuses at casinos with clear T&Cs, and you'll avoid any future headaches.
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| Posted by: Casinomeister at September 20, 2007, 5:24 pm | | Topic: Casino Rewards down the drain like Fortune Lounge? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Nickelars
I placed a full roll (€250) bet on baccarat, and then wagered on french roulette since it's the best game for wagering.
How big bets are you allowed to do then? Any bet over a 100 credits (half bonus, half depost) should oid any winnings if you are to follow clause #13...
What's the fun in that?? Do all microgaming casinos have this rule?
Let's consider I didn't bet my full roll, and just wagered on french roulette, would that also be a stupid way of playing? Why wager on any other game than french roulette?
If you want to play like this, then DON'T use a bonus.
And please spare me the "I only play with bonuses" nonsense. Bonus play limits what you can and can't do in most cases.
One question - why did you fail to read their terms and conditions, and then come here complaining when your winnings were confiscated? You fully knew you were in the wrong, and I don't appreciate you... | | Read Entire Entry |
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