| Posted by: superchip at November 7, 2007, 4:30 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Had the following back from KGC:
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The operator is saying that your account is suspended due to a fraud report from one of their credit card processor, however after reviewing your account they found evidence that involves your account, with several other accounts that were involve in fraudulent activities in the past. When an account is suspected to be fraud and those suspicions are erified, their procedure is to close the account, all accounts related and refund all transactions to their credit card issuing banks.
So as far as the KGC are concerned AP just have to spout a load of lies to them and that's it, investigation over. They don't have to prove it in any way, which they couldn't because there is no proof.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at November 3, 2007, 8:39 am | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by superchip
Thanks will try Natwest again tomorrow.
I sent emails last week to the UK Gambling Commission who basically just replied with 'take it up with Kahnawake, here's the email address...' and I also sent an email to Kahnawake who said they would look into it and if I've not heard anything from AP within 2 weeks to contact them again.
I am still not happy being accused of fraud and I don't see how they can get away with accusing me of it just so they didn't have to pay me my £500 winnings. I have considered taking legal advice as I fell I must have good grounds as I know I have done nothing wrong but the costs of going through it is putting me off a bit.
Now the gambling commission have a complaint on file about a Kahwanake casino, something that will harm the efforts of Kahwanake to get on the whitelist should they fail to deal with this properly.
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| Posted by: superchip at November 2, 2007, 1:28 am | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks will try Natwest again tomorrow.
I sent emails last week to the UK Gambling Commission who basically just replied with 'take it up with Kahnawake, here's the email address...' and I also sent an email to Kahnawake who said they would look into it and if I've not heard anything from AP within 2 weeks to contact them again.
I am still not happy being accused of fraud and I don't see how they can get away with accusing me of it just so they didn't have to pay me my £500 winnings. I have considered taking legal advice as I fell I must have good grounds as I know I have done nothing wrong but the costs of going through it is putting me off a bit.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at November 1, 2007, 8:59 am | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by superchip
Yes, I had read on another forum before I deposited that this place had refused to pay someone in the past but others were saying they had no problems. So I decided to cover my own back and use my credit card. I am glad I did as the first initial response I got from AP was they were keeping my deposit also, maybe then when they realised I deposited with a credit card (and I had rights) they decided to return the deposit.
I can't think of why that would sound dodgy to you.
Just spoke to Natwest again and as far as they are concerned the matter is now closed as I got my deposit back and that's all they're interested in. Have sent emails to Visa, UK gambling Commision and kahnawake Commission so will see what responses I get.
That's just the standard responce, you could try again with a more thought out case, mentioning the enforceability of gambling debts under the September 2007 implementation of the gambling act, as we... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: aodat2 at October 25, 2007, 3:33 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
No matter what the problem is over here, I have something to add to this actually.
1. How come most people will say that AP has the right to do this and that, even to the point of seizing all your winnings and etc?
2. When it comes to things like that, since they accepted your deposit and even your ID and reopened the OP's account, why do they have the right to even seize anything?
3. When someone makes a chargeback to a CASINO/SPORTSBOOK, they are considered a Fraudster and etc. But when a casino/sportsbook seize everything, including your deposit and winnings, all you could do is just sit there and be an idiot else you will be branded a fraudster. Where in the world is the justice in this?
4. They have taken your bet and accepted it. If this was in Vegas, they will still be obligated to pay the winnings and then kick you out the door. They accepted a bet and after you winning, they refuse to pay which makes them 100% @zzhole in my book!
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| Posted by: superchip at October 25, 2007, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by noluckever67
why would you just do this at AP if you had never read any of the problems at the site??
your words not mine
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Quote: Originally Posted by superchip
I had read on another forum before I deposited that this place had refused to pay someone in the past but others were saying they had no problems.
How am I contradicting myself then.
Anyway I came here asking for help and others have posted helpful comments, you've been a massive help also but I can't be bothered to respond to your posts now. Cheers for the input though.
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| Posted by: noluckever67 at October 25, 2007, 2:05 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by superchip
Maybe if you'd read my first post you wouldn't need to ask, I quote myself "Only wished I'd spotted the poker threads before I deposited".
I am not stupid, if I had known about the poker problems then I wouldn't have even depsoited here. Hope that's enough of an explanation for you now...
Sorry your contradicting yourself here..you explained that you used a credit card at AP INCASE you had any problems why would you just do this at AP if you had never read any of the problems at the site??
your words not mine
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| Posted by: superchip at October 25, 2007, 12:25 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Maybe if you'd read my first post you wouldn't need to ask, I quote myself "Only wished I'd spotted the poker threads before I deposited".
I am not stupid, if I had known about the poker problems then I wouldn't have even depsoited here. Hope that's enough of an explanation for you now...
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| Posted by: superchip at October 25, 2007, 12:12 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
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^^^ Aint that a bit like
playing with fire though realising you might have a problem at a site and using a credit card thinking even before you deposit you might need to chargeback????? sounds a bit dodgy to me like.
Yes, I had read on another forum before I deposited that this place had refused to pay someone in the past but others were saying they had no problems. So I decided to cover my own back and use my credit card. I am glad I did as the first initial response I got from AP was they were keeping my deposit also, maybe then when they realised I deposited with a credit card (and I had rights) they decided to return the deposit.
I can't think of why that would sound dodgy to you.
Just spoke to Natwest again and as far as they are concerned the matter is now closed as I got my deposit back and that's all they're interested in. Have sent emails to Visa, UK gambling Commision and kahnawake Commission so will see what responses I get.
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| Posted by: noluckever67 at October 25, 2007, 12:02 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
"I have also never done a chargeback against any casino/bookie as I always use a debit card whenever I deposit, with AP I used my credit card in case I had any problems."
^^^ Aint that a bit like
playing with fire though realising you might have a problem at a site and using a credit card thinking even before you deposit you might need to chargeback????? sounds a bit dodgy to me like.
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| Posted by: superchip at October 25, 2007, 9:42 am | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Thanks guys for all the responses.
I spoke to Natwest again yesterday and was told the $750 that was put back onto my card came from AP themselves and was not in fact to do with Natwest, basically when I first spoke to AP about why they locked my account and seized all funds in it I was told they were keeping my deposit also.
I then contacted Natwest who advised me to send in a letter and they would help, having spoken to Natwest yesterday they haven't even got round to helping with the dispute so guess no chargback needed. When I first spotted the $750 back in my account I just assumed it was a chargeback from Natwest.
I have also never done a chargeback against any casino/bookie as I always use a debit card whenever I deposit, with AP I used my credit card in case I had any problems.
Will speak to Natwest again today to see if they can be any help in getting the $1090 winnings.
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| Posted by: bernynhel at October 24, 2007, 11:50 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Can't help you but if it's any consolation, Ive played a lot of BJ at AP while in poker games there and, I gotta tell ya, anyone who can come away from THAT BJ table with anything at all is a winner in my book. It figures that they don't want to pay. They probably fainted from shock when they saw you're withdrawal request. Probably trying to figure out what you did to their BJ table! And probably more than a little embarrassed at the possibility that someone could have out cheated them!
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 24, 2007, 11:09 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMaster
He wrote card processor, not card issuer. A different beast altogether. No chance of collecting large libel settlement from NatWest.
It'll be the processor that gets sued then. However, it is STILL the responsibility of the card ISSUER if the end merchant acted against the terms of the contract. It may be possible to make an "adverse merchant report" to the card "brand", either VISA International or Mastercard. I once contacted VISA international because I thought Winward were pulling a stunt in asking for my 3 digit security code, and they asked me whether I wanted to make an adverse merchant report. I was told that if they receive enough of these, they ban the merchant or processor from accepting their brands of cards.
This almost never happens, because they don't make it well known this possibility exists, and many customers are happy to pursue the card issuer for a refund.
A complaint to the UK Gami... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: GrandMaster at October 23, 2007, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
Don't underestimate the rogueness of their action. AP say it was YOU CARD ISSUER that branded you a fraud, and this is LIBEL against NatWest if it proves to be untrue.
He wrote card processor, not card issuer. A different beast altogether. No chance of collecting large libel settlement from NatWest.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at October 23, 2007, 9:27 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Don't underestimate the rogueness of their action. AP say it was YOU CARD ISSUER that branded you a fraud, and this is LIBEL against NatWest if it proves to be untrue. Also, if true, NatWest have commited LIBEL against you by telling AP you have committed transaction fraud, and although you may find it hard to pursue AP, NatWest can be taken to task and forced to explain what their part is in all this. the FSA may require NatWest to compensate you for the consequent damage of falsely representing you to AP as a fraud unless they can show that you are indeed one (that is show to UK law standards of proof, not AP standards).
Considering how LONG AP allowed a huge potential fraud to run involving hundreds of thousands of dollars, it seems odd that they were so "trigger happy" over a $750 deposit with some inconsistencies. This really looks like the big poker fraud was ALLOWED to continue, not that AP knew nothing was in the slightest bit suspect happening at the time as they would like... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: superchip at October 23, 2007, 9:02 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by c_note
Since you have charged back (getting your bank to get your money back for you), you will have no further recourse to your funds. AP will refuse to deal with you at all on this matter as they will consider your actions fraudulent.
I don't hold much hope in getting the winnings anyyway given they are now fully rogued, contacting my credit card issuer and letting them investigate was the only thing I could do given AP said they were keeping my winnings plus deposit.
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| Posted by: c_note at October 23, 2007, 7:28 pm | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by superchip
I have now received my deposit back onto my credit card after contacting Natwest although I am about £25 down because of the exchange fees but they flat refuse to pay my winnings accusing me of fraudulent activity.
Since you have charged back (getting your bank to get your money back for you), you will have no further recourse to your funds. AP will refuse to deal with you at all on this matter as they will consider your actions fraudulent.
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| Posted by: superchip at October 23, 2007, 10:23 am | | Topic: Absolute Poker Not Paid My Winnings On Blackjack Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi Guys,
Opened an account at AP on the 5th Oct and deposited $750, got a bonus of $750 and needed to wager $75000 on blackjack before I was allowed to withdraw.
On the 8th Oct received an email saying "our security system suspended your Absolute Poker account because it detected an abnormal deposit pattern, please provide us with ID".
So I send in my passport, front and back of credit card used, utility bill showing my address and an agreement form for the credit card". On the 9th receive an email back saying "thanks your account is now back open and sorry for the inconvenience".
So I continue playing blackjack and on the 13th completed the $75000 requirements, at that point my balance was $1840 and I requested a withdrawal ia moneybookers.
After 4 days hadn't received the money so tried to log into AP to see the status but it wouldn't let me in, so I rang CS and was told my account had been closed and all money was seized (including... | | Read Entire Entry |
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