| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 21, 2008, 11:57 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by mysticjoz
Could all of you please take a look at this....
I don't think it's the casino's and promo's ... from what I have dug up...
this goes a bit deeper and IMHO falls within bonus abusing.. for EVERY bonus that poser could not "get" or "cash" there is a complaint on this forum.
*(sometimes two and three)...
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...earchid=256870
After wasting my time replying to yet another complaint.. here....
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...oup-aware.html
Just wanted to give you all a heads up. This guy isn't getting paid and is not allowed to claim bonuses at most of these casinos.
In the last thread he told me "he knows carnival casino pays because he played noble poker and was paid... " but when I did a search on them I saw nothing but complaints...and another complainer... just a different name. seems posers sign up date is pretty close to th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mysticjoz at January 21, 2008, 7:47 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Could all of you please take a look at this....
I don't think it's the casino's and promo's ... from what I have dug up...
this goes a bit deeper and IMHO falls within bonus abusing.. for EVERY bonus that poser could not "get" or "cash" there is a complaint on this forum.
*(sometimes two and three)...
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...earchid=256870
After wasting my time replying to yet another complaint.. here....
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...oup-aware.html
Just wanted to give you all a heads up. This guy isn't getting paid and is not allowed to claim bonuses at most of these casinos.
In the last thread he told me "he knows carnival casino pays because he played noble poker and was paid... " but when I did a search on them I saw nothing but complaints...and another complainer... just a different name. seems posers sign up date is pretty close to the banned date of the other member. I could be wrong ab... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BBKPoker at January 20, 2008, 10:22 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by maxd
A number of Lucky Nugget issues have been posted, and become cross-linked recently. They are:
Lucky Nugget Announcement
Lucky Nugget Bonus Problem?
Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !!
I've asked the BelleRock rep to comment on these and have had this reply back:
They still have not satisfyingly addressed why the term appears nowhere on their promotions page, and why they choose to use this method rather than preventing users from getting a bonus in the first place. I think the original poster should PAB, and I think they should be paid.
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| Posted by: maxd at January 16, 2008, 11:12 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
A number of Lucky Nugget issues have been posted, and become cross-linked recently. They are:
Lucky Nugget Announcement
Lucky Nugget Bonus Problem?
Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !!
I've asked the BelleRock rep to comment on these and have had this reply back:
Quote:
With reference to 1 & 2 on your list, we did review the ad copy on our sites and to avoid confusion we have amended it accordingly. With reference to the 3rd posting on your list I did respond already on the forum. What I did not say is that the reason for the change of requirements on sign up bonuses is that the system was abused by bonus hunters. For all other bonuses the EZ bonus system works exactly as advertised on the site.
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| Posted by: Zoozie at January 14, 2008, 7:20 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
The whole point of this system was that it would be "EZ" for the player to understand and operate, they would be guided by the software, and prevented from doing anything that would be against the rules. Operators could ary the weightings applied to different games.
Yes, this seemed to be the whole idea behind the bonus system. It was impossible for the players to make a mistake and have winnings confiscated. This bonus system was made to prevent a lot of bonus/winnings forfeit problems.
If some games are not allowed to play with the signup bonus, the software should simply just prevent players from starting those games.
Rival software and 3Dice software can handle this, but MG can not. Therefore MG casinos should not make bonuses with such requirements. Making MG casino capable of this would solve this problem.
It especially misleading since players are used to the EZ bonus and then suddenly there ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 14, 2008, 6:56 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
The problem is that EZBonus software does not differentiate between a sign-up bonus, and a normal bonus. If players go to the banking page to check whether they have met WR, they will be told they can withdraw, and simply lose any remaining bonus chips. The software will let the withdrawal through, and zero out the remaining bonus chips, just as it says. The new player step by step guide also teaches players that they can do this, as does any "help" page within the Viper lobby. Against this, we have a single paragraph among many in the terms and conditions that contradicts the EZBonus guides in the case of the sign-up bonuses. The time to have brought this up was when MG were designing and beta testing this at Grand Prive, but operators said nothing, and are now trying to fiddle with the system beyond the ability of the software. The whole point of this system was that it would be "EZ" for the player to understand and operate, they would be guided by the software, and prevented from ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bellerock at January 14, 2008, 12:34 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi All,
The MGS EZ bonus system still applies to all bonuses with the exception of any sign up bonus. This means that when claiming a sign up bonus you are required to meet the WR for that bonus before any withdrawal can be made. Once you have completed the sign up bonus requirements, or zeroed your account and you claim any further bonuses the EZ bonus system as described on our sites applies.
I hope this clarifies matters.
Best regards,
Belle Rock
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 11, 2008, 9:25 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by poser
And I always thought Belle Rock was a nice group.
There are still casinos (MG) that respect the EZ system totally, for example the Palace Group. Of course this can be exploited easily, but hell, promotions DO COST MONEY, they PROMOTE A CASINO.
If not, it's just a dirty trick. Theese "changed" EZ MG boni DO COST THE PLAYER EVEN MORE MONEY. IT IS A TRICK TO GET ALL YOUR MONEY AND MAKE SURE YOU CAN NEVER CASHOUT !
EG: American Roulette (house edge above 5%) : 0% to wagering req.
same as : all table pokers, all roulette a.s.o.
Shell I laugh or cry here ????
This is just a means to bring back the system of excluded games, however they have managed in this case to go the whole hog, and resurrect the old "slots only" bonus but have pretended it's an EZBonus bonus instead. For large bonuses and the standard 30x rule, this is equivalent to an old style 100% slots bonus with... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: poser at January 11, 2008, 6:12 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
And I always thought Belle Rock was a nice group.
There are still casinos (MG) that respect the EZ system totally, for example the Palace Group. Of course this can be exploited easily, but hell, promotions DO COST MONEY, they PROMOTE A CASINO.
If not, it's just a dirty trick. Theese "changed" EZ MG boni DO COST THE PLAYER EVEN MORE MONEY. IT IS A TRICK TO GET ALL YOUR MONEY AND MAKE SURE YOU CAN NEVER CASHOUT !
EG: American Roulette (house edge above 5%) : 0% to wagering req.
same as : all table pokers, all roulette a.s.o.
Shell I laugh or cry here ????
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| Posted by: Zoozie at January 11, 2008, 9:38 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
They are now adding complication after another into the system, but leaviing the interface unchanged such that players are being told one thing by the online help guide (including the ideo demo) and another thing by support. Once, this kind of behaviour was confined to rogues like the Virtual group, but now it seems most EZBonus MG casinos have resorted to tinkering with the rules, but not updating the demos and walk-through guides on the websites, nor have Microgaming done anything about misleading help files contained within the software.
I 100% agree. You have been lied to. This issue has been brought up a few times before here on Casinomeister for other MG casino as well.
One by one MG casinos has switched to this new undocumented and also not supported by the software bonus scheme. It made matters worse that the
withdrawal page within the casino still stated the EZBonus rules which gave rise to a lot of confusion of cour... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: GrandMaster at January 11, 2008, 9:28 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by chuchu59
That's not the worst part. The loyalty points that you get are normally converted at a rate of $1 for every $1000 played. Then, if you are not playing slots it means having to wager another 300x to cash them out. All in all, you need to wager $300K to cash out $1.
I make it $1300.
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| Posted by: chuchu59 at January 11, 2008, 3:32 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by poser
Hi,
just be warned, that Lucky Nugget lies in their Bonus DEMO. They really explain, how you always can withdraw your cash balance everytime and "zero" the bonus. ITS A VIDEO DEMO, come on....
But, NO WAY... THATS WRONG (not only for the welcome bonus, but for all boni as their support just explained to me)
That way, if you have a 20 euro bonus and dont want to play slots, you must wager 6000 !! at MINIMUM !!!!!!! to get your cash LOL
BTW: if you have 20 bonus and play tree card poker, you have to wager 1000000000000000000000 (more) TO GET A CASHOUT (no cashout possible, never)
That's not the worst part. The loyalty points that you get are normally converted at a rate of $1 for every $1000 played. Then, if you are not playing slots it means having to wager another 300x to cash them out. All in all, you need to wager $300K to cash out $1.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 11, 2008, 2:42 am | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Players knew exactly where they stood, depriving casinos the opportunity to play games with players whose style they didn't like. They are now adding complication after another into the system, but leaviing the interface unchanged such that players are being told one thing by the online help guide (including the ideo demo) and another thing by support. Once, this kind of behaviour was confined to rogues like the Virtual group, but now it seems most EZBonus MG casinos have resorted to tinkering with the rules, but not updating the demos and walk-through guides on the websites, nor have Microgaming done anything about misleading help files contained within the software.
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| Posted by: lauriejim at January 10, 2008, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by poser
Hi,
just be warned, that Lucky Nugget lies in their Bonus DEMO. They really explain, how you always can withdraw your cash balance everytime and "zero" the bonus. ITS A VIDEO DEMO, come on....
But, NO WAY... THATS WRONG (not only for the welcome bonus, but for all boni as their support just explained to me)
That way, if you have a 20 euro bonus and dont want to play slots, you must wager 6000 !! at MINIMUM !!!!!!! to get your cash LOL
BTW: if you have 20 bonus and play tree card poker, you have to wager 1000000000000000000000 (more) TO GET A CASHOUT (no cashout possible, never)
......................thats some hefty w/r 6000.00 w/r on a 20.00 bonus? thats unreal!!!...........................laurie
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| Posted by: poser at January 10, 2008, 8:46 pm | | Topic: Lucky Nugget (Belle Rock) Bonus Warning !! Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi,
just be warned, that Lucky Nugget lies in their Bonus DEMO. They really explain, how you always can withdraw your cash balance everytime and "zero" the bonus. ITS A VIDEO DEMO, come on....
But, NO WAY... THATS WRONG (not only for the welcome bonus, but for all boni as their support just explained to me)
That way, if you have a 20 euro bonus and dont want to play slots, you must wager 6000 !! at MINIMUM !!!!!!! to get your cash LOL
BTW: if you have 20 bonus and play tree card poker, you have to wager 1000000000000000000000 (more) TO GET A CASHOUT (no cashout possible, never)
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