| Posted by: Slotster! at January 21, 2008, 12:07 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
And havn't we all heard of the scam in Las Vegas, were some slot companies programmed in cycles. By inserting coins in a certain matter the slots "switched" to expected payout (like under testing) but when set back into the casino they just ate money.
... and a plot line in "Oceans Thirteen"...
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 21, 2008, 10:46 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
And havn't we all heard of the scam in Las Vegas, were some slot companies programmed in cycles. By inserting coins in a certain matter the slots "switched" to expected payout (like under testing) but when set back into the casino they just ate money.
This was mentioned in a documentary on slots I saw some time. It's just to much money in the industry, and they know we are suckers on the slot, so it's only "human" to get greedy on their part and make the system bullet proof. We are greedy, why shouldn't they be?
There was also the case of some people who were arrested for using a small device that was fed the outcomes of a few spins, and could then compute the probable outcomes of the rest. Since the casino operators had these people arrested and charged, it follows that the device actually worked!
If the device did not work, they would just sit back laughing as the hapless punters fed the slots in the false ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kimss at January 20, 2008, 7:53 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
And havn't we all heard of the scam in Las Vegas, were some slot companies programmed in cycles. By inserting coins in a certain matter the slots "switched" to expected payout (like under testing) but when set back into the casino they just ate money.
This was mentioned in a documentary on slots I saw some time. It's just to much money in the industry, and they know we are suckers on the slot, so it's only "human" to get greedy on their part and make the system bullet proof. We are greedy, why shouldn't they be?
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| Posted by: Rusty at January 20, 2008, 7:52 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
This argument as to why Casinos would rig slots because they can make money anyway is the most common and dumbest of all the "online slots are random" arguments.
A fair and random slot with 97% payout will on average make the Casino 3%.Simple.
If the high rollers hit the big wins while the low rollers suck out then it could lose money.Unlikely but possible.
Against that scenario you can have a slot that will guarantee you a 25% profit with a Zero chance of it ever being proven the game is rigged.
So why would a Casino rig its online slots again?
Call me an idiot but don't presume I am one.
I have shown that MG and RTG slots are not true random but use dynamic weighting to resolve the outcomes.
The results are still random but the chances of each outcome are not equal.
I know that Zoozie and others believe MG are random and that the payouts can not be adjusted but this belief is based on a false premise.
That is it was found that at... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hippo925 at January 20, 2008, 5:57 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
Sure, however if the point is to ensure profit you would go the extra mile. Programming a "random" cycle which is random in every cycle, however predictable in the way that the software can take advantage of good and bad cycles is ery easy. In the end the total payout will also be 95% (or what you want it to be) and the accountants will be happy, stats will look great and everything.
As a software developer I can inform you this is ery easy. Nobody says each cycle is identical, nobody says a cycle is even predictable. What is merely the case is that a cycle should in the end have 95% payout. This my friend, is an entirely different approach - the outcome will still look purely random at _all_ times whatever way you look at it since you can always add some spins to even the odds.
this actually makes a lot of sense to me. i was told pretty much the same thing in regards to programming.
the thing i think is importan... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobWin at January 20, 2008, 5:56 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
In the good old days I developed games, demoes and software on the C64 in machinecode. Was into demoes and assembly on Amiga, so there is were that experience comes from. Theese days it's PHP and MySQL which is my line of work. Programming is programming, once you know how the computer works it all falls into place, whatever the language really. They all have their advantage.
That's what my wife used to write her programs in too, back when she was working in the industry. Thanks...
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| Posted by: kimss at January 20, 2008, 4:46 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
Kimss, quick question, I'm just curious what programming language are most of the software programs that you develop written in ?
In the good old days I developed games, demoes and software on the C64 in machinecode. Was into demoes and assembly on Amiga, so there is were that experience comes from. Theese days it's PHP and MySQL which is my line of work. Programming is programming, once you know how the computer works it all falls into place, whatever the language really. They all have their advantage.
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| Posted by: brianzz at January 20, 2008, 9:55 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by takethemoney
What I notice in RTG RealTime Slots is that when they stop paying, they stay that way until they eat your bankroll. I don't think it's random. I think when a player spends too much time on them, they get tighter, the more you play them. Seems like to me, if their gonna hit, they will do it fairly soon. The problem is, too many of us get lured into playing on, thinking that progressive is gonna hit.
Seems as of late, they are much tighter.
That's where the sliding rule of returns come into play on RTG, house payment is due? Lets slide it over to eat money.. car payment due, move it a little further to eat more, etc. Probably wouldn't be too hard to have a program to automatically adjust this while someone is playing. EG they just hit a $500 pay on penny, lets get that back and the rest of their deposit.
I'm sure most games on RTG software are configurable down into the 60% range.
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 20, 2008, 8:57 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
Sure, however if the point is to ensure profit you would go the extra mile. Programming a "random" cycle which is random in every cycle, however predictable in the way that the software can take advantage of good and bad cycles is ery easy. In the end the total payout will also be 95% (or what you want it to be) and the accountants will be happy, stats will look great and everything.
As a software developer I can inform you this is ery easy. Nobody says each cycle is identical, nobody says a cycle is even predictable. What is merely the case is that a cycle should in the end have 95% payout. This my friend, is an entirely different approach - the outcome will still look purely random at _all_ times whatever way you look at it since you can always add some spins to even the odds.
Kimss, quick question, I'm just curious what programming language are most of the software programs that you develop written in ?
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| Posted by: takethemoney at January 20, 2008, 8:01 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
What I notice in RTG RealTime Slots is that when they stop paying, they stay that way until they eat your bankroll. I don't think it's random. I think when a player spends too much time on them, they get tighter, the more you play them. Seems like to me, if their gonna hit, they will do it fairly soon. The problem is, too many of us get lured into playing on, thinking that progressive is gonna hit.
Seems as of late, they are much tighter.
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| Posted by: brianzz at January 20, 2008, 7:37 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Everyone keeps saying cycle, a cycle on a slot machine is defined as the time it takes for every single possible reel combination to be played, on most machines over 200000 combinations, so I guess the accurate description would be streak. But again that's not really accurate either, since it's all random, I guess you could call it good random or bad random.
Slot manufacturers use a good round number of 10,000,000 plays to determine the return of a specific set of irtual reel strips, when a machine or chip is released it comes with a PAR sheet to show the arience that should be expected in the short term, just to prove it's really random, see below.
3 CM Wild Star Red White & Blue - 97.404%
PULLS ............... LOWER% ....... UPPER%
1000. ...................52.42 ...........142.39
10000. .................83.18 ...........111.63
100000. ...............92.91 ...........101.90
1000000. .............95.98 .............98.83
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| Posted by: kimss at January 19, 2008, 6:51 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Eliot Jacobson
It is much easier to program a slot to be random than to program it to progress through a predetermined but ery large cycle. Especially since, if this cycle is ever discovered, the integrity of the slot, the company that created the slot, and the casino that offers it will be compromized.
Sure, however if the point is to ensure profit you would go the extra mile. Programming a "random" cycle which is random in every cycle, however predictable in the way that the software can take advantage of good and bad cycles is ery easy. In the end the total payout will also be 95% (or what you want it to be) and the accountants will be happy, stats will look great and everything.
As a software developer I can inform you this is ery easy. Nobody says each cycle is identical, nobody says a cycle is even predictable. What is merely the case is that a cycle should in the end have 95% payout. This my friend, is an entirely differen... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Eliot Jacobson at January 19, 2008, 6:10 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
With respect to:
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
IF slots work in cycles, whether one big one (a machine with lots of lines) or a bunch of small ones, AND no one purposely messes with it.... isn't it still gonna be pretty random for any of us that play?
i mean, does it really matter HOW a slot is programmed as long as no one who plays it knows any more than anyone else?
It is much easier to program a slot to be random than to program it to progress through a predetermined but ery large cycle. Especially since, if this cycle is ever discovered, the integrity of the slot, the company that created the slot, and the casino that offers it will be compromized.
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
the real issue is if a slot can have multiple algorithyms for things like different bet sizes, country of origin, bonus user, etc.... that's the part that scares me
Occam's razor (I quote from Wikipedia) states: "the expl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: brianzz at January 16, 2008, 1:10 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Most high limit machines are 1 or 2 coins and don't offer much of a bonus for hitting the top pay. No ideo machines offer extra credits for hitting the top pay at max coins.
The numbers reflected on those type of reports are average coin in/coin out from day 1 of the month till day 30 of the month. So you could have 20 $25 machines that pay 40% of whats played into them and 5 that pay 300% of whats played into them you'll get the average of 92%
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| Posted by: kimss at January 16, 2008, 11:22 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
What I never can get my head around (trick question), given the machines are so "random" - and do not balance the payout.
What if, a $25 machine, most player wager low all the time, and some smuck gets that lucky jackpot spin on max wager? Wouldnt the payout that month be like 3000% on that machine? I never see that!
Or, more likely! Lots of high rollers, and some smuck on minimum bet misses the jackpot? Shouldnt the payout be ery low? Say 60% or so?
You never see that either, you see it in the 90% range all the time it seems. I sure missed a few jackpots in my life, however I am pretty sure I didn't "skew" the overall payout for that machine!
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| Posted by: lojo at January 15, 2008, 2:10 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
YAY!!! so... just have deep pockets, find one of the eighteen $25 machines downtown LV and get 103% I like that info
But I was referring to increasing bet size... say from .01 a line to .25 per line on a multi-denom machine.
But those charts and the resources you guys pointed to are excellent references, thank you.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 15, 2008, 1:17 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
Hippo, I wasn't able to find the cct article that specifically denotes the number of generations in a 'cycle' and how many generations per second, etc. but HERE is a list of good articles to peruse. The only item I take exception to in all of their information is that they repeatedly state that it 'is illegal for Nevada slot machines to ary payback per coin size' whereas NGC rule # 101 states:
Quote: Originally Posted by Mousey
Lojo... have you access to a magazine called Strictly Slots? Month after month they list payback percentages for slots (by denom) in Nevada, AC, etc.Just thought you'd find it interesting.
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
So does it's more widely circulated sister magazine "Casino Player". May be able to find the monthly list(s) Mousey refers to at www.casinocenter.com, the higher the denomination,the higher the payback percentage across the board regardless of lo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 15, 2008, 12:24 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mousey
Lojo... have you access to a magazine called Strictly Slots? Month after month they list payback percentages for slots (by denom) in Nevada, AC, etc. Just thought you'd find it interesting.
So does it's more widely circulated sister magazine "Casino Player". May be able to find the monthly list(s) Mousey refers to at www.casinocenter.com, the higher the denomination,the higher the payback percentage across the board regardless of location (State).
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at January 14, 2008, 11:39 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by kimss
Also, I must add. One of the companies here in town made alot of headlines in the local press here. What they did was the following.
They had slots in thir office, sat wagering wagering wagering until they got the jackpot, then they put the slots out again for others to play... Oh they made money this way, since the machines ate huge money back! They also got some bad press out of it since this man wasn't excactly a nice guy.
They could easily do this, since they was informed about the cycles and such from their slot, and since two jackpots do not occure within the same cycle.
Another one, tihs is funny! Have you ever heard of the times the machines have a bug which can be manipulated? So that you get a sure win all the time, happends on new slots! I myself have emptied slots this way.
But here is the kicker - when you have done this, have you ever played on the slot afterwards not using the trick? Loooser, you... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mousey at January 14, 2008, 8:39 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
...... The only item I take exception to in all of their information is that they repeatedly state that it 'is illegal for Nevada slot machines to ary payback per coin size' whereas NGC rule # 101 states:
Lojo... have you access to a magazine called Strictly Slots? Month after month they list payback percentages for slots (by denom) in Nevada, AC, etc. Just thought you'd find it interesting.
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| Posted by: lojo at January 14, 2008, 7:40 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Hippo, I wasn't able to find the cct article that specifically denotes the number of generations in a 'cycle' and how many generations per second, etc. but HERE is a list of good articles to peruse. The only item I take exception to in all of their information is that they repeatedly state that it 'is illegal for Nevada slot machines to ary payback per coin size' whereas NGC rule # 101 states:
Quote:
... and for slot machines which have a difference in theoretical hold percentage which exceeds 4 percent for a single-coin play
versus maximum-bet play...
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| Posted by: kimss at January 14, 2008, 9:50 am | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
but here's an important point: IF slots work in cycles, whether one big one (a machine with lots of lines) or a bunch of small ones, AND no one purposely messes with it.... isn't it still gonna be pretty random for any of us that play? i mean, does it really matter HOW a slot is programmed as long as no one who plays it knows any more than anyone else?
True... Unless... Say the system is aware of good and bad portions of the cycle. Say after a win you will be served bad portions of the cycle until you lost your way back to 90% payout - then are served a good portion again? This is my MG theory. Anyways.
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
the real issue is if a slot can have multiple algorithyms for things like different bet sizes, country of origin, bonus user, etc.... that's the part that scares me, though i don't think i have seen obvious signs of that in all the years i've played slots.
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| Posted by: lojo at January 13, 2008, 7:54 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
I get the distinct 'feeling' when playing online card games that it creates a 'result' that is statistically random, not that it is a process that produces random results. Does that make sense? Because I would stake my gut, not my mind on this question. It just doesn't feel 'right'.
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| Posted by: Mousey at January 13, 2008, 7:50 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
Unless you happen to be be playing a continuous shuffle machine of B&M BJ (and most casinos tried to pull that-CSM'S-off on a few tables and realized it was not going to fly), then you have to know the online "random shuffle" of BJ does not apply at a B&M. (Assuming Mousey you were speaking of all games and not just slots,ftr)
Sorry, I should have clarified... I was referring to B&M games that have RNG s. the same type online games (slots, VP, etc. -- in other words, machines). BJ (and other card games) is a totally different animal as a computer RNG should have nothing to do with B&M card shuffler.
FTR... Hubby got the 'creeps' whenever he (rarely) played BJ online. He won't touch it anymore. No, we have no 'proof'. We only know it just doesn't play like the same game.
And I am NOT saying online BJ is rigged, I'm only saying it just doesn't feel right to me. Rather like showering w/my socks o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 13, 2008, 7:31 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Mousey
LVRJ article circa 1998, re: Harris, Weeks, keno, slots, etc. If nothing else, it might provide more ideas for further googling.
And I agree w/Lojo... I really have no idea whether anything that applies to B&M games has even the slightest relation to online casino software.
Unless you happen to be be playing a continuous shuffle machine of B&M BJ (and most casinos tried to pull that-CSM'S-off on a few tables and realized it was not going to fly), then you have to know the online "random shuffle" of BJ does not apply at a B&M. (Assuming Mousey you were speaking of all games and not just slots,ftr)
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| Posted by: Mousey at January 13, 2008, 7:21 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
LVRJ article circa 1998, re: Harris, Weeks, keno, slots, etc. If nothing else, it might provide more ideas for further googling.
And I agree w/Lojo... I really have no idea whether anything that applies to B&M games has even the slightest relation to online casino software.
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| Posted by: lojo at January 13, 2008, 7:12 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
You don't/can't, etc. It takes about a year for the 'cycle' to complete, can be reseeded at any time, and creates over 100 combinations per second! I can look for the particulars at casinocitytimes if you'd like... I should have the link archived anyway.
edit: I'm only referring to B&M's there isn't really any info available, that I know of, for online processes. You could get 'own your own casino' crack it, and publish it open source
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| Posted by: hippo925 at January 13, 2008, 7:04 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
My biggest concern with all online software platforms (not slots which are a different animal to me) and I also believe the word you may be looking for Hippo is "correlated" or simply the old simple programming language IF...,THEN.....,I have erified with a software engineer (he claims) for online casinos that it would be ery simple to do despite those that claim to the contrary (those with a ested interest in the industry for the most part). ....My final conclusion, all serious play at B & M's!
yes nash, i was told the same thing that basically anything is possible to program within a set parameter.
lojo, the igt article is really interesting. i actually read that before, but for some reason i didn't recognize the info on the bonuses... i must have missed it before. thanks!
and mousey, trust me, i'm no math genius either, lol. the week's box is interesting to me because, remember, Week designed it for sl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 13, 2008, 6:37 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
ery interesting kimss! i think eliot will be better able to comment on this.
but here's an important point: IF slots work in cycles, whether one big one (a machine with lots of lines) or a bunch of small ones, AND no one purposely messes with it.... isn't it still gonna be pretty random for any of us that play? i mean, does it really matter HOW a slot is programmed as long as no one who plays it knows any more than anyone else?
the real issue is if a slot can have multiple algorithyms for things like different bet sizes, country of origin, bonus user, etc.... that's the part that scares me, though i don't think i have seen obvious signs of that in all the years i've played slots.
My biggest concern with all online software platforms (not slots which are a different animal to me) and I also believe the word you may be looking for Hippo is "correlated" or simply the old simple programming language IF...,THEN....... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mousey at January 13, 2008, 6:34 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
I'm not a math-head and there's really no reason I should even open my mouth here, but you know me....
From what I remember about Weeks and the computer he used to figure the win numbers for the Keno game... Random numbers are generated from a beginning 'seed' ... if you can figure out the 'seed', you can come pretty darn close to determining the final group of numbers or spin or whatever. The Keno game was 'faulty' in that the seed was too easily determined. Today, there are more esoteric and weird things that 'seeds' are based on and therefore near impossible to crack.
And Kimss... those games w/cycles sound like 'fruities' to me.
And those damn ClassII slots (based on bingo) are a crock of shite and I don't think they should even be legal as they give people the illusion that they're playing a slot machine -- or even more outrageous -- Video Poker. Deception, pure and simple -- and state sanctioned, at that. grrrrr....
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| Posted by: lojo at January 13, 2008, 6:27 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
ery interesting kimss! i think eliot will be better able to comment on this.
but here's an important point: IF slots work in cycles, whether one big one (a machine with lots of lines) or a bunch of small ones, AND no one purposely messes with it.... isn't it still gonna be pretty random for any of us that play? i mean, does it really matter HOW a slot is programmed as long as no one who plays it knows any more than anyone else?
the real issue is if a slot can have multiple algorithyms for things like different bet sizes, country of origin, bonus user, etc.... that's the part that scares me, though i don't think i have seen obvious signs of that in all the years i've played slots.
Agreed. If the end result is 95% collusion would be the iable reason to not run a true 'random' slot.(ringers who work for the casino knowing a trick and collecting the big wins, laundering the money back) or slimy promotions (give new players ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hippo925 at January 13, 2008, 5:53 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
ery interesting kimss! i think eliot will be better able to comment on this.
but here's an important point: IF slots work in cycles, whether one big one (a machine with lots of lines) or a bunch of small ones, AND no one purposely messes with it.... isn't it still gonna be pretty random for any of us that play? i mean, does it really matter HOW a slot is programmed as long as no one who plays it knows any more than anyone else?
the real issue is if a slot can have multiple algorithyms for things like different bet sizes, country of origin, bonus user, etc.... that's the part that scares me, though i don't think i have seen obvious signs of that in all the years i've played slots.
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| Posted by: kimss at January 13, 2008, 1:28 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Also, I must add. One of the companies here in town made alot of headlines in the local press here. What they did was the following.
They had slots in thir office, sat wagering wagering wagering until they got the jackpot, then they put the slots out again for others to play... Oh they made money this way, since the machines ate huge money back! They also got some bad press out of it since this man wasn't excactly a nice guy.
They could easily do this, since they was informed about the cycles and such from their slot, and since two jackpots do not occure within the same cycle.
Another one, tihs is funny! Have you ever heard of the times the machines have a bug which can be manipulated? So that you get a sure win all the time, happends on new slots! I myself have emptied slots this way.
But here is the kicker - when you have done this, have you ever played on the slot afterwards not using the trick? Loooser, you will not win shit!
I wonder why!
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| Posted by: kimss at January 13, 2008, 1:22 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
in this case, you CANNOT hit a jackpot "back to back" and it is ery obvious that every spin is NOT random and likely to occur because if someone else hit the jackpot, you will not....in THIS cycle.
Well, what I can confirm is this. In norway we had some slots some years ago that were super popular - the admiral. Theese were originally casino slots that were reconfigured to fit norwegian laws.
Since being a heavy player I naturally had alot of conversations with the people from the slot companies which served the machines. I also know the owner of one of the gambling halls here in Kristiansand. What is without any doubt a fact is that theese machines operated with cycles.
Also, they could tell me the % which the slot ate money on gambes. Like, 60% was supposed to be saved for low gambles, 20% for medium and %20 for high gambles. Just as with my gamble exercise on 3Dice this is ery obvious.
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| Posted by: lojo at January 12, 2008, 6:49 pm | | Topic: how slots work, what do you guys think? Forum: Casino Meister |
Here's how slots are supposed to work:
Put in a dollar
Win a car
Put in a another dollar
Win another car
Ever see those keebler elf commercials... the little guys inside the tree making cookies? That's not quite how it works... but there are little guys in the slot machines making pretty pictures for the screen and packing suitcases full of cash...
Put in a dollar
See a pretty picture
Put in another dollar
See another pretty picture
There's a table in the corner of the machine where some of the grisslier looking elf are playing a game of dice... whenever someone rolls a 4-5-6 combination they shove a little bit of cash back at ya. When some one gets 5 trip snake-eyes in a row, they shove a whole suitcase of it back and push buttons and pull handles and make all kinds of lights flash and sounds happen to hypnotise the other suckers in the casino (or reading the winning screenshot thread) into thinking it could happen to them.
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