| Posted by: linda7 at January 31, 2008, 6:01 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lauriejim
.......have you ever known anyone to hit on a 40 or 20 cent bet? ive always wondered as i was told several years ago by a c.s rep that it wont happen? can it be done? i would love to know. i have hit those rapid fire jackpots at the old sands of the caribbean when we could play there, best money i have ever made, i miss crypto casinos and i would hit those on the smallest bet you could make.
Hi Lauriejim, I play alot at ClubWorld and last week an RJ was over 14K and the person that hit it was only playing 20 cents per spin and the game was Lion's Lair. So, yes it can be done. Have a good day.
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| Posted by: SlotMonster at January 31, 2008, 10:49 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by bb28
Here is my 2 cents worth. I won a small RJ on a .40bet quite a long time ago.
Congrats to your win, mate
And again, Random Jackpot should be RANDOM. And it doesn't make sense to bet 100$/spin trying to win Jackpot of 1k -10k or so.
But I can propose to make Jackpot amount proportionally to your bet size:
Let's say the Jackpot was 1000$ when you hit it.
If your bet was .20 - you'll receive your original 1000$
If your bet was .40- you'll receive 2000$
If your bet was 1$ - you'll receive 5000$
If your bet was 2$ - you'll receive 10000$
etc....
Just a proposal
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 30, 2008, 10:44 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
bingo is a good example, doesnt matter how many cards you buy some git always wins whos bought just the one lol
No argument there!
Actually one time when I was real young playing at the local bingo hall, I was that git... the one card I was playing ended up being the only winner for $750.
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at January 30, 2008, 4:02 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
No of course not but by same definition it doesnt matter HOW many lottery cards you hold, the NUMBERS that are being drawn are random! Online bingo is a good example, doesnt matter how many cards you buy some git always wins whos bought just the one lol I do see where you coming from though and i suppose there are many sides of the coin. Its knowing which side is the correct one
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 30, 2008, 12:16 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
Random jackpot should be Random!. It shouldnt matter what bet size you play with so long as all lines are selected. As you said slotser the higher you bet the nicer the wins you could make anyway or the losses. But to be random it means that everyone should have the same fair chance of winning. If the higher you bet the higher the chance of an RJ win then RTG is technically in breach of false advertising because that is NOT random.
If the jackpots paid out using the mathematically fair system, it would not mean that it's not random.
Let's use the lottery example, and say that each ticket costs 0.20. Are you saying that if you choose to spend $100 on these tickets, that you would be happy if you only received one ticket and not the 500 that you paid for?
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at January 30, 2008, 12:04 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Random jackpot should be Random!. It shouldnt matter what bet size you play with so long as all lines are selected. As you said slotser the higher you bet the nicer the wins you could make anyway or the losses. But to be random it means that everyone should have the same fair chance of winning. If the higher you bet the higher the chance of an RJ win then RTG is technically in breach of false advertising because that is NOT random.
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 30, 2008, 10:17 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Matthew23
1 sextillion to 1?
I don't like those odds lol... You would have to have started spinning continuously since the "Big Bang" and it still would not hit during the next Billions of years
I would have thought it would be more around 5,000,000 to 1
I was using my own personal odds of winning as an example.
Some people's odds of winning a Random Jackpot seem to be more like 1 in 4.
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| Posted by: Matthew23 at January 30, 2008, 9:46 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
Example
On each spin, the RNG picks a random number for the player of between 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
1 sextillion to 1?
I don't like those odds lol... You would have to have started spinning continuously since the "Big Bang" and it still would not hit during the next Billions of years
I would have thought it would be more around 5,000,000 to 1
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| Posted by: hippo925 at January 30, 2008, 1:22 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
This has been debated several times before.
1. The mathematically fair way to decide a winner is to give those who bet bigger a greater chance of winning the jackpot, like the Rapid Fire jackpots at Cryptologic casinos.
Example:
Bet 0.20 to get 1 chance to win per spin
Bet 0.40 to get 2 chances to win per spin
Bet 1.00 to get 5 chances to win per spin
Bet 2.00 to get 10 chances to win per spin
Bet 5.00 to get 25 chances to win per spin
Bet 10.00 to get 50 chances to win per spin
Bet 20.00 to get 100 chances to win per spin
Bet 100.00 to get 500 chances to win per spin
2. The mathematically unfair way to decide a winner is to have each spin - regardless of bet size - have an equal chance of winning.
Example
On each spin, the RNG picks a random number for the player of between 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. The winning number is predetermined to be 353,791,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: paul02085 at January 30, 2008, 1:18 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
I agree with the higher you bet the better your chances. That is why most progressives have separate machines for .25 and 1.00 and 5.00.
I have also seen machines online that have a high jackpot for $5 but if you change the coin size to a lower denomination the jackpot goes lower too.
Random Jackpot is not the best title they could have used for these.
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 30, 2008, 1:16 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
All I'm trying to say is that I have no idea how they have implemented it. If they are using the method you think they are using, it's not fair in the mathematical sense. Whether or not it is "morally" (not sure if that's the right term) fair is a totally different matter.
Most progressives eliminate this problem by either requiring a fixed bet size from all players, having one's chances of winning be proportional to their bet size, or having the same chance of winning but having the portion of the jackpot that is paid be proportional to their bet size. Examples include:
Fixed Bet Sizes
Jackpot Deuces
Jackpot Piņatas
Millionaire's Club
SupaJax
Proportional Chance of Winning
Mega Moolah
Rapid-Fire Jackpots at Cryptologic casinos
Proportional Amount of Jackpot Paid
Boss Media Jackpot Poker
MegaJacks
Super Jackpot (Cryptologic)
Whether o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kakata at January 30, 2008, 1:04 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lovetogamble
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 30, 2008, 1:02 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
All I'm trying to say is that I have no idea how they have implemented it. If they are using the method you think they are using, it's not fair in the mathematical sense. Whether or not it is "morally" (not sure if that's the right term) fair is a totally different matter.
Most progressives eliminate this problem by either requiring a fixed bet size from all players, having one's chances of winning be proportional to their bet size, or having the same chance of winning but having the portion of the jackpot that is paid be proportional to their bet size. Examples include:
Fixed Bet Sizes
Jackpot Deuces
Jackpot Piņatas
Millionaire's Club
SupaJax
Proportional Chance of Winning
Mega Moolah
Rapid-Fire Jackpots at Cryptologic casinos
Proportional Amount of Jackpot Paid
Boss Media Jackpot Poker
MegaJacks
Super Jackpot (Cryptologic)
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
if your analogy is ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobWin at January 30, 2008, 12:52 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
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Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
Actually that was a perfect analogy, and they can be compared because a portion of every bet is a bet on the random jackpot.
Yea but Slots, you're comparing standardized pay tables to a "Random Jackpot" of course a portion of each and every bet goes towards building it...
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Whichever way they have implemented the jackpot is fine with me but neither of us can say with certainty which method they chose, unless one of us was the programmer who coded it (I know it wasn't me - was it you? ). All we can do is speculate.
Totally agree
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It seems to imply that the mathematically fair implementation is used, meaning, a big bet contributes more to the jackpot and therefore has a proportionately better chance of winning it.
Like I said the big bettors, me included, choose to bet this way and of course the same % of bet is going to build the "... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 30, 2008, 12:33 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
you can't compare the regular paytables to the "Random Jackpot" it's two totally different monsters
Actually that was a perfect analogy, and they can be compared because a portion of every bet is a bet on the random jackpot.
Whichever way they have implemented the jackpot is fine with me, but neither of us can say with certainty which method they chose, unless one of us was the programmer who coded it (I know it wasn't me - was it you? ). All we can do is speculate.
I started compiling posts from arious casino representatives which contain clues about the random jackpots, but all I could find was this one:
Quote: Originally Posted by iNetBet Promos
The % contribution to the jackpots cannot be changed.
The reason that some jackpots go up faster could be for a number of reasons. The simplest explanation is down to the usage or if there is a high percentage of higher bet players.
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| Posted by: lovetogamble at January 30, 2008, 12:23 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote:
There are some screenshots in the winners section showing this. For example: If you take a look at the screenshot provided by echap11 for their win of over $7800 on Mermaid Queen you can see they were spinning for 0.40cents.
So sorry to iNetBet for not posting sooner but "YES" this was me that won the Mermaid Queen Sunday night! My first at iNetBet and it was great! I already have the money in my account. They are for real and I feel totally safe playing with them and pretty much only them. They are by far the fastest at paying of any casino I've played it...and I've been playing online since 2000.
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 30, 2008, 12:12 am | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
[quote]
Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
Now let's say that the payline wins all remain constant no matter what your bet size is. If you bet $100 and get 5 wilds, you would still only win $100.
If this were the case, would you ever play more than 0.20 a spin? No, you wouldn't, unless (a) you are insane, or (b) your chances of winning 5 wilds increases proportionally to the amount you bet (in this example, a 500-times greater chance).
Yes, I agree with you on that point but you can't compare the regular paytables to the "Random Jackpot" it's two totally different monsters...
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Now imagine the jackpot as this kind of fixed (or flat) payout, which is what it is. If your chances of winning it are the same at 0.20 as they are at 100.00, it is really not fair (in the mathematical sense) unless you have more chances to win it at 100.00 than you do at 0.20.
But it is fair just like Zap stated in my lottery anaology ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 11:59 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
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Quote: Originally Posted by zap987
Why does it make any difference if Bill Gates buys 2000 of 2500 tickets, or if 2000 different people buy one each? You still have your same 1/2500 chance to win with your single ticket.
True, you do..but my analogy was more regarding the fact that the other 500 folks knew how many he was buying each time and that the statistical odds of him winning more times would definitely be in his favor....relativity and all you know...
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 29, 2008, 11:56 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
I just thought of another way to explain it that might make more sense.
The jackpot is a "fixed" or flat dollar amount (it can grow, but the amount you could win is not proportional or relative to your bet size).
Now suppose the same were true for all of the paytable wins. Let's say five wilds pays 10,000 times the payline bet normally. On a 0.20 spin this would be a $100 win.
Now let's say that the payline wins all remain constant no matter what your bet size is. If you bet $100 and get 5 wilds, you would still only win $100.
If this were the case, would you ever play more than 0.20 a spin? No, you wouldn't, unless (a) you are insane, or (b) your chances of winning 5 wilds increases proportionally to the amount you bet (in this example, a 500-times greater chance).
Now imagine the jackpot as this kind of fixed (or flat) payout, which is what it is. If your chances of winning it are the same at 0.20 as they are at 100.00, it is really not ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 11:51 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
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Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
Don't forget that what we're talking about isn't a lottery,
Yes I agree, but the "Random Jackpot" itself should work on the same principle...
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The reason why this type of system is not fair to high rollers is because they would have wager an astronomical amount in order to win back a tiny portion of their losses.
They chose to wager big though...that should not come into play regarding the "Random Jackpot"...
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There are two ways to level the playing field: pay a larger jackpot to those who bet big,
Then again they are the ones choosing to bet big...think about Bill again, he all of a sudden starts playing at ClubWorld for example and to him it's just monopoly money so he bets nothing smaller that $100.00 on each and every spin each and every day...are any of the rest of us ever going to have a real chance of winning a "... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zap987 at January 29, 2008, 11:40 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Why does it make any difference if Bill Gates buys 2000 of 2500 tickets, or if 2000 different people buy one each? You still have your same 1/2500 chance to win with your single ticket.
Having a chance to win the jackpot relative to your bet size is a much better solution than having fixed betsizes for progressive slots.
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| Posted by: parpol at January 29, 2008, 11:38 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
That's great parpol, how much were they for ? My daughter won one over at Bodog on a $10.00 bet on Raindance for around $8,000.00...
... With $ 10 I won $ 5643, with 5 $ 7305 and $ 5245.
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 11:30 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by parpol
Hello I won or 3 , with 1 bet of $ 10 and 2 bet of $ 5.
That's great parpol, how much were they for ? My daughter won one over at Bodog on a $10.00 bet on Raindance for around $8,000.00...
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| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 29, 2008, 11:30 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
Why would the other 500 ticket buyers continue to purchase a ticket each week knowing that Bill has an 80% chance of winning each week or a 60% better chance than any of those ticket purchasers have ?
Don't forget that what we're talking about isn't a lottery, i.e. the jackpot is not the only reason people play. Most people play the slots for entertainment, and to hopefully win something from the slot itself. The jackpot is just a nice plus should someone happen to win it.
I assume in the lottery system you proposed that there will always be 1 winner out of the 2500. It's not Bill's fault that nobody else bought that many tickets. Nobody's stopping other people from buying them up first.
And on the flipside, try putting yourself in Bill's shoes. Wouldn't you want a bit of mathematical security in knowing that, having spent a lot more money than everyone else, you stand a good chance to profit from your purchase?
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 11:12 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by SlotsWizard
This has been debated several times before.
1. The mathematically fair way to decide a winner is to give those who bet bigger a greater chance of winning the jackpot, like the Rapid Fire jackpots at Cryptologic casinos.
Example:
Bet 0.20 to get 1 chance to win per spin
Bet 0.40 to get 2 chances to win per spin
Bet 1.00 to get 5 chances to win per spin
Bet 2.00 to get 10 chances to win per spin
Bet 5.00 to get 25 chances to win per spin
Bet 10.00 to get 50 chances to win per spin
Bet 20.00 to get 100 chances to win per spin
Bet 100.00 to get 500 chances to win per spin
2. The mathematically unfair way to decide a winner is to have each spin - regardless of bet size - have an equal chance of winning.
Example
On each spin, the RNG picks a random number for the player of between 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. The winning number is predetermined to be 353,791,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SlotsWizard at January 29, 2008, 10:45 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
This has been debated several times before.
1. The mathematically fair way to decide a winner is to give those who bet bigger a greater chance of winning the jackpot, like the Rapid Fire jackpots at Cryptologic casinos.
Example:
Bet 0.20 to get 1 chance to win per spin
Bet 0.40 to get 2 chances to win per spin
Bet 1.00 to get 5 chances to win per spin
Bet 2.00 to get 10 chances to win per spin
Bet 5.00 to get 25 chances to win per spin
Bet 10.00 to get 50 chances to win per spin
Bet 20.00 to get 100 chances to win per spin
Bet 100.00 to get 500 chances to win per spin
2. The mathematically unfair way to decide a winner is to have each spin - regardless of bet size - have an equal chance of winning.
Example
On each spin, the RNG picks a random number for the player of between 1 and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. The winning number is predetermined to be 353,791,663,505,284,629. If they match, the player wins the jack... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hippo925 at January 29, 2008, 7:56 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by RobWin
Hippo, what is your rationale on that thought ?
On your second point there you say "whoever bets more has a much higher chance of hitting"...this should not be the case if it is True Randomness, but whomever plays more should have a better chance of winning the RJ no matter the bet size...statistical odds you know...
another way of looking at it is that someone who spins 100 spins at .20 has the same chance of hitting the rj as someone who bets $20 at one spin. does that make sense? otherwise, if everyone had the exact same chance regardless of bet, then anyone who bets more than .20 is contributing to the rj in an unfair amount.
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 6:41 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
my impression is that the rj is random. it's been discussed before, but i believe that it's like a sequential lottery. .20 = 1 ticket while $20 = 100 tickets. each rj is calculated to hit at a certain point so that if it was "due" at, let's say, the next $20 in bets, the .20 better would hit it in 100 spins while the $20 better would hit it in one spin. (assumming you are the only one playing at that time)
any claim that bet size does not affect the chance of hitting a rj would have to be false.
think of it this way, we are sold 100 tickets sequentialy and the number 75 is randomly chosen to be the winner. i buy one, babs buys one, kakata buys 5, then nashvegas buys 70 , he would hit the rj.
but if nash bought first at 70 and kakata bought second at 5, kakata would hit the rj. obviously, whoever bets more has a mucher higher chance of hitting regardless of what number was randomly chosen.
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| Posted by: kakata at January 29, 2008, 6:35 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by hippo925
my impression is that the rj is random. it's been discussed before, but i believe that it's like a sequential lottery. .20 = 1 ticket while $20 = 100 tickets. each rj is calculated to hit at a certain point so that if it was "due" at, let's say, the next $20 in bets, the .20 better would hit it in 100 spins while the $20 better would hit it in one spin. (assumming you are the only one playing at that time)
any claim that bet size does not affect the chance of hitting a rj would have to be false.
think of it this way, we are sold 100 tickets sequentialy and the number 75 is randomly chosen to be the winner. i buy one, babs buys one, kakata buys 5, then nashvegas buys 70 , he would hit the rj.
but if nash bought first at 70 and kakata bought second at 5, kakata would hit the rj. obviously, whoever bets more has a mucher higher chance of hitting regardless of what number was randomly chosen.
anyway, t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: kakata at January 29, 2008, 6:33 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
I have had 4 of em in my gambling on line.......3 of em at either 20 or 40 cents ,the 4th one, which was actually my first one ever, was at $1 bet at Crystal Palace , cause that was the minimum bet.( Yes I did get paid)
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| Posted by: SlotMonster at January 29, 2008, 6:32 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by refre
IMHO the chances of hitting the RJ should be 50 times (20/0.4=50) higher when doing $20 spins compared to 40 cent spins.
Freddy
So the Jackpot will not be completely Random
I disagree: everyone should have even chances to hit the RJ! And it doesn't matter are you high or low-roller!
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| Posted by: hippo925 at January 29, 2008, 6:32 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
my impression is that the rj is random. it's been discussed before, but i believe that it's like a sequential lottery. .20 = 1 ticket while $20 = 100 tickets. each rj is calculated to hit at a certain point so that if it was "due" at, let's say, the next $20 in bets, the .20 better would hit it in 100 spins while the $20 better would hit it in one spin. (assumming you are the only one playing at that time)
any claim that bet size does not affect the chance of hitting a rj would have to be false.
think of it this way, we are sold 100 tickets sequentialy and the number 75 is randomly chosen to be the winner. i buy one, babs buys one, kakata buys 5, then nashvegas buys 70 , he would hit the rj.
but if nash bought first at 70 and kakata bought second at 5, kakata would hit the rj. obviously, whoever bets more has a mucher higher chance of hitting regardless of what number was randomly chosen.
anyway, that's my thinking.
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| Posted by: refre at January 29, 2008, 6:14 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Let's say the slot itself is random, and paying back say 95%, regardless of the amount wagered. The last five percent is made up of 2% funding the RJ and the HE is 3%.
If I do $20 bets that means 40 cents of every spin go to fund the jackpot. If I do 40 cent spins, 0.008 cent of every spin fund the RJ.
IMHO the chances of hitting the RJ should be 50 times (20/0.4=50) higher when doing $20 spins compared to 40 cent spins.
For the record the percentages are made up - I have no idea what they really are.
Freddy
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| Posted by: RobWin at January 29, 2008, 5:44 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Simmo!
High rolling certainly improves your chances. I hit 2 in 2 days playing $20.
It shouldn't though, if it is truly going to be marketed as being totally random, hence "Random Jackpot" no matter the bet size... Seems as though that would skew the randomness right...
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| Posted by: iNetBet Promos at January 29, 2008, 4:34 pm | | Topic: RTG Random Jackpots - check this out! Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi Everyone,
Just a quick point in regards to the initial thread, jandj actually only won 3 Random Jackpots in the past few weeks. There was an error in the newsletter that has subsequently been updated. The Crystal Waters Jackpot was hit by gracek.
There are testimonials from both players in the winners section of the same newsletter.
In regards to players winning Random Jackpots on smaller denominations. Yes that is perfectly possible; jandj actually hit all of theirs at $2
However 8 Jackpots this month were hit at 0.40cents
There are some screenshots in the winners section showing this. For example: If you take a look at the screenshot provided by echap11 for their win of over $7800 on Mermaid Queen you can see they were spinning for 0.40cents.
The relevant links are as follows for anyone interested:
Newsletter: www.inetbet.com/newsletter/newsletter.htm
Winners Section: www.inetbet.com/newsletter/bigwinner.asp
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