| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 2, 2008, 8:14 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by winbig
I thought you learned your lesson before? Not everyone that defends online gaming are shills &/or affiliates.
Quit making blanket accusations. The way you come across, you make it seem being an affiliate is a bad thing....you have a lot to learn.
Agree, just another derail.....don't feed the trolls!
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| Posted by: winbig at January 2, 2008, 7:53 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
This ridiculus argument "There is no proof it is rigged" is the argument "There is no proof that a man who finds a bag with some million dollars in the street will keep it for himself instead of handing it over to the police". Anyway, its always amusing to read again such arguments which it is shouting obvious that they come from affiliates and shills.
I thought you learned your lesson before? Not everyone that defends online gaming are shills &/or affiliates.
Quit making blanket accusations. The way you come across, you make it seem being an affiliate is a bad thing....you have a lot to learn.
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| Posted by: ThodorisK at January 2, 2008, 7:30 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
This ridiculus argument "There is no proof it is rigged" is the argument "There is no proof that a man who finds a bag with some million dollars in the street will keep it for himself instead of handing it over to the police". Anyway, its always amusing to read again such arguments which it is shouting obvious that they come from affiliates and shills.
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| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 2:22 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
I will PM you so you know what I meant....nothing bad.....just a weird coindence that I will c.c. the PM to CM and Dr.Jacobson!
ok mate
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 2, 2008, 2:18 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by zman
Go ahead lol. Oh and you can click on my username and iew all my old posts. Enjoy!
I will PM you so you know what I meant....nothing bad.....just a weird coindence that I will c.c. the PM to CM and Dr.Jacobson!
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| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
Wow, this keeps getting stranger and stranger and I am not talking about all Zman's posts to me or Lojo's great find of this guy's past.......good thing CM can check IP addresses!
Go ahead lol. Oh and you can click on my username and iew all my old posts. Enjoy!
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 2, 2008, 8:36 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Wow, this keeps getting stranger and stranger and I am not talking about all Zman's posts to me or Lojo's great find of this guy's past.......good thing CM can check IP addresses!
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| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 6:22 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by lojo
Hi zman,
When you suggested that inetbet blackjack was 'rigged' I assume you were satisfied when they sent you your hand histories... were they ever analysed? If so, what criteria satisfied you? Or did you just 'let it go'?
It was more of a ent post than anything else
I really just let it go after I cooled down a bit i think. I now understand that it does happen.
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| Posted by: lojo at January 2, 2008, 3:20 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Hi zman,
When you suggested that inetbet blackjack was 'rigged' I assume you were satisfied when they sent you your hand histories... were they ever analysed? If so, what criteria satisfied you? Or did you just 'let it go'?
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| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 2:59 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS;
I have offered and the number of documents exceed 100 so it will be ery time consuming and as I previously posted I am ready,willing and able to spend the time taking up bandwith. However, Bryan is the one who will determine if I am allowed to post all in full. To date, I have not been granted permission and even when I posted the conclusion for the audit invoiced 12-10-07 labeled "all work complete" and payment remitted in full to the auditor on 12-11-07, thereafter Bryan deleted it pursuant to the auditor's request for whatever reason. This audit SOF was clearly considered FINAL,COMPLETE, and ACCURATE when I posted the conclusion and I owned the audit having remitted payment in full but I do not call all the shots. Maybe Bryan will allow all to be posted at a later date!
Well please let me know when you have uploaded or posted it.
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS;
Hope you are over your hangover... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 2, 2008, 2:08 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by zman
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With a title as Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! and all the things your implying in this thread, no it wasnt intentional.
Understandable but I did not name the thread and the thread title does not correlate entirely with the posts throughout which I still do not believe you have read the entire thread. If so,my apologies.
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If you have proof post it. We have nothing but rambling from someone that may or may not have lost alot of money and are grasping at straws to justify the loss.
I have offered and the number of documents exceed 100 so it will be ery time consuming and as I previously posted I am ready,willing and able to spend the time taking up bandwith. However, Bryan is the one who will determine if I am allowed to post all in full. To date, I have not been granted permission and even when I posted the conclusion for the audit invoiced 12-10-07 labeled "all work co... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 1:39 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
I do not recollect saying that although some may argue that I may imply that (Unintentionally)
With a title as Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! and all the things your implying in this thread, no it wasnt intentional.
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
furthermore only 3 parties that are members on this forum have seen practically all the the multiple SOF's and many other means of correspondence and documentation pursuant to the audit so how would you know whether I have proof or not.
If you have proof post it. We have nothing but rambling from someone that may or may not have lost alot of money and are grasping at straws to justify the loss.
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| Posted by: petkaymad at January 2, 2008, 1:19 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by zman
I have seen streaks and stuff @ 3dice also. I have seen dealer getting 6 BJ in span of about 15 hands. All i can say its basically the swings of BJ. It doesnt matter if its 3dice or any other casino.
I play 3 hand multihand blackjack almost exclusively and yesterday for the first time ever I got 3 BJs in the one deal, unfortunately I only bet $1-15 most of the time and only had $3 on each hand so it didnt pay huge, but it shows that you can get good hands online.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 2, 2008, 1:10 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by zman
Yes in the long run you lose. I should have lost the amount according to the casino edge x my play. I accept that. But your persistent "casinos are rigged" comments is ery ignorant without proof.
I do not recollect saying that although some may argue that I may imply that (Unintentionally).....have you read all the posts...appears you have not.....furthermore only 3 parties that are members on this forum have seen practically all the the multiple SOF's and many other means of correspondence and documentation pursuant to the audit so how would you know whether I have proof or not. I am not sure what I have to be honest other than a bunch of paradoxical rhetoric but that rhetoric has got some sleeping dogs out of bed. If my comments are "very ignorant" then I can live with your flame.
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| Posted by: zman at January 2, 2008, 12:30 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
No reason not to believe him.If you think winning equates to fair gaming that simply is not true. Winning is ery possible in the short term,the issue is in a fair game over the short term should he have been up $73,455.69 or whatever amount.....now if he continues to gamble and reaches forever (the long term) and claims he is up forever,then that would not be fair gaming either in a negative expectation game as the software would have had some malfeasance in the player's favor and that would be flawed also of course for anyone claiming winning large amounts forever (for one's long term,life,etc). One could claim being an advantage player (not sure how online at large stakes) or have won a signifcant amount in the short term and then play for pennies til forever arrives. In all likelihood, one who claims winning over the long term is prolly streching the truth especially online at consistently high stakes.
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| Posted by: GaryWatson at January 1, 2008, 8:43 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by I<3Microgaming
Just one thing about live roulette and baccarat.
You have to realize that it is publicly known that all sites who offer live dealer are sharing the live dealer technology they use with other casinos, whether it's PlayTech, MG, or CasinoWebcam. So right off the individual casino cannot influence the results it's favor.
Take CasinoWebcam for example, they offer live dealer technology on their own site (they are the original providers), as well as sell it to Ladbrokes, BetInternet, and Suite 332.
And if the live dealer provider had some sophisticated rigging system that rigged the bets with the most action, since all these individual casinos compete with each other, it would make no sense for them to adopt such technology!
As long as it's live.
Ive been to race nights where it was all pre-recorded.
Our local casinos have machines and you can actually see the table your machine is l... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at January 1, 2008, 6:28 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by ThodorisK
And why should we believe you? Because you say so?
No reason not to believe him.If you think winning equates to fair gaming that simply is not true. Winning is ery possible in the short term,the issue is in a fair game over the short term should he have been up $73,455.69 or whatever amount.....now if he continues to gamble and reaches forever (the long term) and claims he is up forever,then that would not be fair gaming either in a negative expectation game as the software would have had some malfeasance in the player's favor and that would be flawed also of course for anyone claiming winning large amounts forever (for one's long term,life,etc). One could claim being an advantage player (not sure how online at large stakes) or have won a signifcant amount in the short term and then play for pennies til forever arrives. In all likelihood, one who claims winning over the long term is prolly streching the truth especially online at consistent... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zman at January 1, 2008, 11:53 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
I have seen streaks and stuff @ 3dice also. I have seen dealer getting 6 BJ in span of about 15 hands. All i can say its basically the swings of BJ. It doesnt matter if its 3dice or any other casino. I have wagered millions @ bethedealer/32red/bet365 and now 3dice and they all have streaks but they all seem to be pretty fair.
Also being up $38k helps also.
Staked: 2,281,261.5 Won: 2,319,447 ( + 38185.5) in 7867 hands at average bet 289.98 and at 101.67%
Basically $300 max a hand on BJ so your theory doesnt really hold up.
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| Posted by: I<3Microgaming at December 29, 2007, 11:57 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Just one thing about live roulette and baccarat.
You have to realize that it is publicly known that all sites who offer live dealer are sharing the live dealer technology they use with other casinos, whether it's PlayTech, MG, or CasinoWebcam. So right off the individual casino cannot influence the results it's favor.
Take CasinoWebcam for example, they offer live dealer technology on their own site (they are the original providers), as well as sell it to Ladbrokes, BetInternet, and Suite 332.
And if the live dealer provider had some sophisticated rigging system that rigged the bets with the most action, since all these individual casinos compete with each other, it would make no sense for them to adopt such technology!
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| Posted by: GaryWatson at December 29, 2007, 4:23 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by frankensite
Just my 10 cent info on blackjack win/lose, one time at Metro Casino (Boss Media Software) I deposited $50 and ended up after 8 hours play with a payout on $17.000
So there is a chance of winning ;o)
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Frank, Im not doubting you. Fantastic win. Ive never known anyone live to win that much without betting heavily, in saying that live table limits dont accomodate for this, using betting limits.
bet 1 50 win 100
bet 2 100 win 200
bet 3 200 win 400
bet 4 400 win 800
bet 5 800 win 1600
bet 6 1600 win 3200
bet 7 3200 win 6400
bet 8 6400 win 12800
bet 9 12800 win 25600
I can say I have had many runs with 9 straight winning bets. ive never went to those extremes though. mine are all mini increases & drops.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at December 29, 2007, 3:52 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by frankensite
Just my 10 cent info on blackjack win/lose, one time at Metro Casino (Boss Media Software) I deposited $50 and ended up after 8 hours play with a payout on $17.000
So there is a chance of winning ;o)
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
winning does not equate to fair gaming, maybe you should have won $55,277.69
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| Posted by: frankensite at December 29, 2007, 12:32 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Just my 10 cent info on blackjack win/lose, one time at Metro Casino (Boss Media Software) I deposited $50 and ended up after 8 hours play with a payout on $17.000
So there is a chance of winning ;o)
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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| Posted by: GaryWatson at December 29, 2007, 11:09 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by aka23
VueTec BJ also has an expected player edge of ~0.07% (the computerized games, not the live ones), but you need to use a unique early surrender strategy to achieve this player edge. I suspect hardly anyone uses optimal strategy on this game.
I know insurance on Aces is a wasted bet.
Surrender? Im not sure about that. It's never been part of the rules where I play but assuming you are losing 50% of an undetermined bet, it looks a bad option.
You are taking a 50% loss which seems a big swing to save 1/2 a bet.
The dealer is sitting on 10 & you are on 5. Should you surrender? I would say no. I would say the best option is to play & avoid busting out. Allow the dealer the option of busting.
Taking the surrender, you are losing every hand, eliminating the dealers option to bust.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at December 26, 2007, 10:52 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by aka23
It depends on what you are trying to show and how far results are from normal. It could be less than a hundred hands or it could be millions.
Very aware of that, I wanted the poster's answer before I proceeded with some of the info. your post contains.
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| Posted by: aka23 at December 26, 2007, 10:30 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
Just curious before I make any other comments, HOW MANY?
It depends on what you are trying to show and how far results are from normal. It could be less than a hundred hands or it could be millions. For example, in the casino bar experiment described at http://wizardofodds.com/casinos/casinobar.html, a few hundred hands was enough to show odds of well under 1 in 100 billion. But when I run a sim to measure the house edge of a blackjack game to the hundreds place, I usually need to play millions of hands before getting a stable result. Winning only 2 out of 17 hands as mentioned a few pages back is definitely not enough data to show unfair results.
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| Posted by: aka23 at December 26, 2007, 10:22 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by GaryWatson
I got it. Its nothing more than a sales pitch. Misleading to say the least. One hand, new shuffle, offers no advantage. 5 handed with 6 packs would offer similar, but use 5 packs for simplicity. Now I would say the player edge is totally false & the stats are not remotely accurate. It all goes back to the reshuffling after ever hand. They need to rewrite or omit
The single deck BJ numbers are legitimate. A player edge of 0.11% assumes shuffle after each hand and basic strategy. A player edge of 0.15% assumes composition dependent exceptions to basic strategy. Unfortunately almost all Boss Media casinos that have offered single deck BJ with an expected player edge have either dropped the game or closed. I believe that the only one left is Casino Club.
VueTec BJ also has an expected player edge of ~0.07% (the computerized games, not the live ones), but you need to use a unique early surrender strategy to achieve this player edge... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: chuchu59 at December 26, 2007, 6:10 pm | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Well, this also seems to apply to Baccarat at MGs. When playing hands at $10 or $20 the results were quite even, winning some and losing some. Okay, I tried 6 hands at $50 and lost $300 just like that. What the heck. In the final hand I bet on the banker got 7 against the player's 4 and out came another 4. So that was how I lost 6 in a row.
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| Posted by: GaryWatson at December 26, 2007, 4:34 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by I<3Microgaming
GaryWatson, can you explain your reasoning?
The Wizard established a chart based on "total dependent basic strategy" which includes anomalies like standing on 7,7 s. 10. I don't get how he gets the player advantage either.
All I can say is random shuffling takes away any player advantage. Playing one hand is practically negligable.
basic strategy only works when you take into account cards previous. Infact, im not sure what basic strategy is but if its going with the table, ill guess at a 98.5% payout. So it is a losing strategy on the one deck stated. The advantage comes when you take into account previous cards. On top of that you need to maximise your splits and double downs
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| Posted by: I<3Microgaming at December 26, 2007, 4:27 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS
Shackleford as I have posted in the past lost creditiblity with me when he chose to endorse one online casino (enuff said there) which I see as a conflict of interest for the love of money,,,,,,Otherwise, I have no issues with this most trusted resource and individual.
Agreed, that move was surprising, yet as long as there is no bias in his analysis' it's fine with me (the man get I don't know how many hits a day from gamblers worldwide...)
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| Posted by: I<3Microgaming at December 26, 2007, 4:24 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
GaryWatson, can you explain your reasoning?
The Wizard established a chart based on "total dependent basic strategy" which includes anomalies like standing on 7,7 s. 10. I don't get how he gets the player advantage either.
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| Posted by: NASHVEGAS at December 26, 2007, 4:22 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
Shackleford as I have posted in the past lost credibility with me when he chose to endorse one online casino (enuff said there) which I see as a conflict of interest for the love of money,,,,,,Otherwise, I have no issues with this most trusted resource and individual.
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| Posted by: GaryWatson at December 26, 2007, 4:11 am | | Topic: Oh my GOD! God d#mn cheaters! Forum: Casino Meister |
playing live I am usually playing against six packs. Ive seen dealers tucking in the plastic devil 2/3rd but if he just cuts a pack off, my odds are better. There is no online advantage, and the 0.15% stats is created, it has no substance "RANDOM SHUFFLE"
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