| Posted by: kimss at February 5, 2008, 9:19 am | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by TDTAT
We were talking about new games and casinos and he mentioned something
like.. "ah.. a new casino.. you should go hit it now before too many
people are playing"
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I believe he was referring to amount of customers. Take 3Dice as an example, there is a huge thread in here with not many winners (from the usual winners) after christmas.
New casino needs customers, easy to win, you get the customers, down with the wins. It's common business tacticts really, random or not.
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| Posted by: kimss at February 5, 2008, 9:15 am | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
I now consider Spin Palace "killed"
Interesting words, and interestingly you stop aswell! Good for you however that win, you got that "had to come" streak at a lucky bet!
Here is a tip however, by converting currency you get a new account! This expands your accounts from 1 to 2 in a casino! I am not sure however if they can "port" stats from one account to another, getting back to your interesting words again,
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at February 3, 2008, 1:33 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by TDTAT
I am a woman and I understand "offsides" I even
understand parlays and teasers, but The slot machines are more difficult.
Yes, Yes, they say the games have no memory.. random
numbers and all this. I believed that in theory, but I must have played millions in land casinos
and many thousands in online casinos and I really do not know..
As far as Micros or a certain group's games being connected..
sometimes it feels like that, but feelings mean squat, so I can not comment on that.
I heard an interesting thing at a conference (Barcelona)
from a drunk casino owner though... (NOT MICROGAMING)
We were talking about new games and casinos and he mentioned something
like.. "ah.. a new casino.. you should go hit it now before too many
people are playing"
I perked up a little too much and said "The time you play or the number
of players playing a game affects your o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Slotster! at February 3, 2008, 12:42 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
I am sure by just looking at payout percentages you will see that this is not true. I remember Mummysgold back in 2006 having payout % in access of 100% a couple of times. The way the games are designed is to be in the favor of the casino, it has more to do with the design of the game than the software being rigged.
Yeah... I was going to mention this. You occasionally see %'s over 100% for the slots, when a few giant wins have fallen and messed it up a bit. Moreso in the early days I should imagine when across the board there was fewer people playing, so the expected returns would jump up and down... Get a few million spins at your casino and, guess what, you're gonna end up somewhere abouts the 95% you're expecting...
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 3, 2008, 12:16 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
Agreed, so if a slot has paid out MORE than its 95 % ratio then it goes cold. that isnt random, thats a computer eliminating the possibility of further wins. ie `cold`
I am sure by just looking at payout percentages you will see that this is not true. I remember Mummysgold back in 2006 having payout % in access of 100% a couple of times. The way the games are designed is to be in the favor of the casino, it has more to do with the design of the game than the software being rigged.
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| Posted by: TDTAT at February 3, 2008, 11:55 am | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
I am a woman and I understand "offsides" I even
understand parlays and teasers, but The slot machines are more difficult.
Yes, Yes, they say the games have no memory.. random
numbers and all this. I believed that in theory, but I must have played millions in land casinos
and many thousands in online casinos and I really do not know..
As far as Micros or a certain group's games being connected..
sometimes it feels like that, but feelings mean squat, so I can not comment on that.
I heard an interesting thing at a conference (Barcelona)
from a drunk casino owner though... (NOT MICROGAMING)
We were talking about new games and casinos and he mentioned something
like.. "ah.. a new casino.. you should go hit it now before too many
people are playing"
I perked up a little too much and said "The time you play or the number
of players playing a game affects your odds of winning?" He went on to mumble somethi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cheekymonkey at February 2, 2008, 8:36 am | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
lol Yup your right i dont believe its as random as that but hey its still undeniably gross misrepresentation)
Probably mate. But we're all mug punters at the end of the day - lol.
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
I mean if i was thick or something i might NOT have known lol no comments please
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 2, 2008, 3:18 am | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cheekymonkey
Yup! You know that though AudiMan - you don't seriously believe that the wheel is as random as it looks do you?
lol Yup your right i dont believe its as random as that but hey its still undeniably gross misrepresentation. I mean if i was thick or something i might NOT have known lol no comments please
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| Posted by: cheekymonkey at February 1, 2008, 8:18 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
So in other words the wheel is a load of tosh, it means nothing and in essence we are all being maniplulated.
Yup! You know that though AudiMan - you don't seriously believe that the wheel is as random as it looks do you?
I see it a bit like this.
All the MINI wedges are made up of MILLIONS of SLICES
All the MINOR wedges are made up of THOUSANDS of SLICES
All the MAJOR wedges are made up of HUNDREDS of SLICES
The MEGA wedge is made up of ONE SLICE
Therefore, you are bound to take a slice of the MINI and MINOR prizes a hell of a lot more than the higher prizes.
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 6:33 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Slotster!
Mega Moolah is a bad example though mate... Of course your odds aren't the same as the number of 'slices' on the wheel...
So in other words the wheel is a load of tosh, it means nothing and in essence we are all being maniplulated I think its a great example lol If you cant even trust the isual representation of what you see, how can you trust some fictious RNG generator that may or may not be programmed to give arious results dependingon its programming?
I mean if you knew nothing about online casinos, someone new to the game would take a look at the mega mooolah wheel and think ooh my chances of winning the jackpot are 1 in 20 (forgive me i have no idea how many slices are on the wheel ive never counted them lol) because thats what the wheel ACTUALLY represents.
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| Posted by: Slotster! at February 1, 2008, 6:07 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Mega Moolah is a bad example though mate... Of course your odds aren't the same as the number of 'slices' on the wheel... That's just a isual representation. There's a one in gazillion chance that the RNG will send back the right 'combination' to give you the jackpot! Same story with all the B&M mega jackpot slots...
For comparison, the Las Vegas legend "Megabucks" odds are 49,836,032 to 1 of hitting the big one... I assume "Mega Moolah" is somewhere similar...
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 5:40 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
its a pattern that cant ever be proved siilix unfortunatly. We are all sheep, we do what were told and we listen to what they want us to listen to. In an ideal world a RNG is great if it IS truly an RNG but on that i have massive doubts. Does it stop me playing? No it doesnt i take my risks, i play the game and i win or lose but not for one minute do i actually believe that all these casinos dont `play the game` in some fashion or another. Its a big money industry and that will always lead to manipulation and corruption.
BTW im not aiming to start a massive row with anyone on this board because people will ultimately believe what they want to believe. All im giving is my own personal opinions.
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| Posted by: siilix at February 1, 2008, 5:34 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
I had a nice win about 2 weeks ago and made a nice cashout. Since that time however I cant win diddly squat on ANY mg casino. cant even get the bonus rounds out. It doesnt matter which one i deposit at, they all play really really lousy. Has anyone else noticed that after a nice withdrawal the casinos seem to play crap, kind of like they all know youve had a good win and now their hell bent on getting it back lol?
Hi!
Same thing happened to me many times, you are not the only one who has noticed this kind of "pattern"...unfortunately
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 5:30 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Slotster!
No, it really isn't! They don't have a 'memory' like UK fruit machines do... The RNG ersus the number of symbols/combinations means the OVERALL percentage is around that figure...
Ultimately - the longer you play a slot, the more chances you're giving the house edge to creep up and bite you.
EDIT: Incidentally, this aspect of gambling is something that seems like the hardest thing in the world to explain to people... Specifically slot players... It's like explaining the "offside" rule to a woman! Wagerworks have a go at it too with their description in the 'paytable' part of their slots... Go take a look!
you say they dont have a memory but I say that they do
Actually I believe its a more a point of what you Believe! you cannot explain something to someone what you dont understand yourself and no one understands how these online slot machines work. All ive ever seen are hypothesis and speculation because... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Slotster! at February 1, 2008, 5:05 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
Agreed, so if a slot has paid out MORE than its 95 % ratio then it goes cold. that isnt random, thats a computer eliminating the possibility of further wins. ie `cold`
No, it really isn't! They don't have a 'memory' like UK fruit machines do... The RNG ersus the number of symbols/combinations means the OVERALL percentage is around that figure...
Ultimately - the longer you play a slot, the more chances you're giving the house edge to creep up and bite you.
EDIT: Incidentally, this aspect of gambling is something that seems like the hardest thing in the world to explain to people... Specifically slot players... It's like explaining the "offside" rule to a woman! Wagerworks have a go at it too with their description in the 'paytable' part of their slots... Go take a look!
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at February 1, 2008, 4:56 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by cheekymonkey
Nice tactic, but surely not recommended.
I've tried this type of method many a time and have easily busted out.
Unless you have a monster sized bank roll, this type of play can suck you dry quicker than Divine Brown.
It depends on how far it is pushed, and whether it can be used with a promotion. I play on Mondays, so hitting Munchkins hard can give one of the top prizes on the leaderboard, as well as the chance of hitting big. I rarely go as high as 67-50 though. When I did this, I had already won 4K on ideo poker, and was seeing "hot" behaviour on Munchkins, so I decided to play off around £300 with half a dozen monster spins, and just got lucky on the ery first one. Naturally, I withdrew at £15,000 from a 16K peak, knowing full well such an event was unlikey to happen again, and that the 15K could anish quickly if the games went into a drought. I have seen Munchkins run 600+ spins with no bonus round, e... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 4:49 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Slotster!
In summary:
Slots: Sometimes they are "hot", sometimes they are "cold"; that's how they work.
How do Vegas casino's work this clever scam? They don't - they just set slots at 95% ish and watch the money roll in... Just like online casino's do.
How many times do we need to go over this!?
Agreed, so if a slot has paid out MORE than its 95 % ratio then it goes cold. that isnt random, thats a computer eliminating the possibility of further wins. ie `cold`
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| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 4:47 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by Chatmaster
When you play MG, you are basically playing at the same casino regardless of it's name. It is just the skin that is different with each operator. Does it mean it is rigged to ensure that you do not win again? Certainly not. I have seen plenty players win jackpots frequently even at the same operator. Play is random at MG casinos there is no trickery involved, so at least do not worry about that.
I do suggest though that you cool off after a big win and take a break for a couple of days. The win tends to make you play crazy and just deporit the money back into the casino.
I agree with your post on all of the points barring one. I dont believe that playing at ANY casino is a random act. Im not saying its fixed or rigged but i do believe the computers which run the programs know when they have paid out well and beyond the % ratio and tighten up. I dont see how it can be any other way after years of playing MG its not possible that ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Slotster! at February 1, 2008, 4:39 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
In summary:
Slots: Sometimes they are "hot", sometimes they are "cold"; that's how they work.
How do Vegas casino's work this clever scam? They don't - they just set slots at 95% ish and watch the money roll in... Just like online casino's do.
How many times do we need to go over this!?
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| Posted by: juliack at February 1, 2008, 3:23 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
I have played MG casinos for many years and concur with Chatmaster. Sometimes there are strange things that occur. I have played heavily at VP for the past several weeks and have been one away from a royal flush over 50 times. Based on my normal play I should have hit the RF at least a few times. This is by far the worst I have seen over the years. Cheers
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| Posted by: Chatmaster at February 1, 2008, 2:44 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion
When you play MG, you are basically playing at the same casino regardless of it's name. It is just the skin that is different with each operator. Does it mean it is rigged to ensure that you do not win again? Certainly not. I have seen plenty players win jackpots frequently even at the same operator. Play is random at MG casinos there is no trickery involved, so at least do not worry about that.
I do suggest though that you cool off after a big win and take a break for a couple of days. The win tends to make you play crazy and just deporit the money back into the casino.
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| Posted by: cheekymonkey at February 1, 2008, 1:50 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by inylweatherman
Last Monday, I found Munchkins really cold at Challenge, but was hot at Golden Reef. My tactic, after a wait of a few days, is to hit Munchkins hard at Challenge, and go easy at Golden Reef. Hitting a game "hard" is really about increasing the bet size until it starts dropping bonus rounds again. Once one of these offers the retrigger, the game is "hot", and may well play out a number of closely spaced bonus rounds, or a really good one or two in close succession.
This is how I hit that one at Spin Palace - I was on a "hot" session, and got a couple of bonus rounds on Munchkins, but no retrigger. I increased my bets from 10-50, through 33.25 and upto 67-50. I was particularly fortunate that my FIRST spin at 67-50 dropped three scatters, and produced a bonus round of many retriggers for over 10K. There was one further bonus round, and then I cashed out £15,000 from a £300 cashback on losses chip.
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| Posted by: vinylweatherman at February 1, 2008, 12:43 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
Quote: Originally Posted by AudiManinBoro
I had a nice win about 2 weeks ago and made a nice cashout. Since that time however I cant win diddly squat on ANY mg casino. cant even get the bonus rounds out. It doesnt matter which one i deposit at, they all play really really lousy. Has anyone else noticed that after a nice withdrawal the casinos seem to play crap, kind of like they all know youve had a good win and now their hell bent on getting it back lol?
Yes, but it has been confined to the casino I hit big at. I find that by playing several casinos, I will end up finding another where the game I want to play is "hot". Often, this where the same game has previously been "cold".
Last Monday, I found Munchkins really cold at Challenge, but was hot at Golden Reef. My tactic, after a wait of a few days, is to hit Munchkins hard at Challenge, and go easy at Golden Reef. Hitting a game "hard" is really about increasing the bet size until it s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AudiManinBoro at February 1, 2008, 12:13 pm | | Topic: I swear Mg casinos are all linked in some fashion Forum: Casino Meister |
I had a nice win about 2 weeks ago and made a nice cashout. Since that time however I cant win diddly squat on ANY mg casino. cant even get the bonus rounds out. It doesnt matter which one i deposit at, they all play really really lousy. Has anyone else noticed that after a nice withdrawal the casinos seem to play crap, kind of like they all know youve had a good win and now their hell bent on getting it back lol?
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