| Posted by: Wustenfuchs at February 22, 2007, 8:28 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Why don´t you US-guys just open a bank account in a foreign country somewhere in Europe or Canada for example? Google for a online bank and they´ll send you all the contracts to you at home. Online banks usally charge no fees so it cost you almost nothing.
Then you open another account at moneybookers. There you sign up with a fake name and adresse. Just tell them you´re from Europe. They never care about who you really are.
Now you transfer your money from your Neteller-account to your "friend" at moneybooker and from moneybookers you transfer it to your foreign bank account where you can legally transfer it back to your home bank in the US.
Even if you don´t want to transfer it back to the USA you still have the opportunity to cash out (with some fees) in the US with your foreign bank card.
Or doesn´t your government allow you to have a foreign bank account?!
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| Posted by: bedofnails at February 2, 2007, 1:29 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
...bout sums it up.
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at February 1, 2007, 8:28 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | I still have .84 there. I want my F**king 84 cents. Thats my money,lol
People might think I'm paranoid, but I started withdrawing my money using the atm card the day after the two guys got arrested. I had all but 1k out when they cut off the card. A couple of friends helped me out with that. I'm glad I started bailing when I did, but I feel sorry for those who took the wait and see route. Now they will have to wait, and see if they get their money.
edit: Just remembered that two high ranking exe.s for Sportsbook I think it was, resigned today. Saw it in the business section of the paper. Looks like it's getting hot in the kitchen.
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| Posted by: freni126 at February 1, 2007, 11:05 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | grimgrin wrote: Good to know that you at least get a 2nd chance.
An alternative may be to load up your stars account with your own roll ahead of time, then accept transfers to neteller and don't move this money out for a day or two.
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| Posted by: grimgrin at February 1, 2007, 10:28 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Good to know that you at least get a 2nd chance.
An alternative may be to load up your stars account with your own roll ahead of time, then accept transfers to neteller and don't move this money out for a day or two.
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| Posted by: freni126 at February 1, 2007, 8:54 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | grimgrin wrote: Have they reopened your account once you agreed not to go the p2p transfer to stars route?
They reopens it no matter what after you send in documents. They put you on a "watch list" though so if you misbehave they close it permanently. That's why I wanted to make sure they would allow me to recieve funds as long as I didn't sent it to a gambling site but instead took it out...
When I spoke to them yesterday they wouldn't allow this, but today they seem to have changed their minds. I guess they no longer see any risk of them getting blamed for the tranactions by US government... as far as neteller knows the US account holder gives the money to me and I cash it out.. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: freni126 at February 1, 2007, 7:02 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | I just got off the phone with NT support. They made it totally clear that as long as you don't recieve a p2p transfer from an american and then deposit to PokerStars for example they have nothing to say about it.
So the way to do this now is to send p2p to a non-US account holder. He cashing out to his bank account and transfer through PayPal for example.
I helped a few guys out over at 2+2 yesterday (before NT closed my account). I am willing to do it the PayPal way now if anyone is interested... PM me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jack.duck at January 31, 2007, 8:59 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | did a p2p and now im free and clear of neteller, woooohooooooooo. now if only epassporte would make those deposits into my bank account, been waiting 12 days.
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| Posted by: xxdemexx at January 31, 2007, 4:22 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | The fear is now that the Non-USA clients will have problems.
Once Interenational transfers pass £11k ($20k) I think laundering flags are set - so the big players in all this (non-American) could get very badly hurt.
As its money laundering territory I think the American recipient might be hit:(
From my point of view the transactions were very small - I only really "helped out" people I'd known on boards a long time. The total profit I made was tens of dollars and I'd made a few transactions of similar nature quite a few times before - so I'm unconcerned.
To be brutal - this stinks...Neteller may have a few problems with audit trails but can anyone here imagine the profit they made in the last few days? Cashflow wont be a problem for them!!
As for reputation .. well who knows.. The Swisss banks are still holding Nazi gold ... doesnt seem to do them any harm.. if anything it helps..
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| Posted by: jack.duck at January 31, 2007, 2:44 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | i have a question about them clsoing accounts. are they closing the non-US accounts that accept the transfer, or the americans that initiate the transfers. if it is me that gets my account closed(the american) once i tranfer my money out, why would i care? they are jumping ship on the US it appears, and i dont need 500 licenses for poker tracker.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at January 30, 2007, 9:57 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | I saw this too and I'm glad I acted when I could. Since there's money to be made I imagine the transfers will continue but ffs, they've got to give us SOME viable option. Those neteller bastards can rot in hell. I don't know wtf they were thinking and wtf they're thinking now.
[edit] ok, they want to stay the hell out of jail, but it's just minimum security for them I bet if convicted. Club fed and if you drop the soap in the shower those enron kind of folks probably won't even ass rape you.
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| Posted by: PokerBonusWhore at January 30, 2007, 8:22 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | See link below. Reputable poster (almost 13k posts, WOW) on 2 + 2 provided the following info.......
i just got off the phone with graham, who does what i described in title. it was a good conversation. few points:
1) stop doing p2p transfers. your account will get closed and if your not a VIP member it may take a bit before its opened.
2) he understood WHY we were doing what we were doing, and doesnt blame us. however, the reason they cant allow it
is it looks like money laundering to the US DOJ as all these funds go from US accounts to gambling sites. the US has its eyes on everything neteller related and neteller is more concerend with business going forward that further pissing off the DOJ.
3) the EFT processor that neteller used was siezed (his word, not mine) by the US goverment. he said it is highly unlikely thank bank transfers will be allowed again.
4) checks apparently will be issued. of course no concrete timetable was given.
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| Posted by: ForgiveMe4ImDumb at January 30, 2007, 7:29 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | IceboxCharlie wrote: It's my understanding that a lot of non-U.S players have asked Stars for a deposit increase so they can move our money faster. It appears that Stars is well aware of whats going on and at least somewhat approves of it.
this is 100% correct.
i asked for an increase from the normal $600 and i was given a limit of $10,000. When it became obvious that this limit was going to hit VERY quickly, i asked for another increase. After being told that due to my account history, they couldnt give me this, they emailed me back telling me that they appreciate what i was doing and increased my limit to a daily $20,000 limit.
Stars knew exactly what was going on and they were very good in facilitating the transfers to take place. Naturally, due to the fees they were incurring on all the deposits, they did/do require some play through before the transferred cash could be cashed out.
On a personal level, Im not a huge fan of Stars but they must be highly c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at January 30, 2007, 6:57 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm not much on reading the boards at 2+2 but in these times I'll take info anywhere I can find it.
It's my understanding that a lot of non-U.S players have asked Stars for a deposit increase so they can move our money faster. It appears that Stars is well aware of whats going on and at least somewhat approves of it.
There are other sites, Fulltilt I think and maybe Bodog where they have player transfers and they have to know whats going on as well and are allowing it.
Obviously those of us who have transferred money in that manner need to do some cover play before cashing out (if we do intend to cash some out).
Stars has earned my respect and I wll be keeping some of my bankroll there and playing frequently.
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| Posted by: FourTeller at January 30, 2007, 1:23 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Sure Neteller's not perfect, but exactly what are the better alternatives? The more established competitors all have their own disadvantages and fewer pluses IMO. I've been considering another e-wallet for a long time and even opened a Firepay account last year, but it was a little more complicated than expected and I've yet to use it because of the fees and limited availability... Also have a MoneyBookers account from way back I've never used. Click2Pay I looked into as well but wasn't convinced enough to sign up for. If there's a superior chequing-based option to Neteller, at least for those in Canada, I've yet to hear of it but am definitely interested as I'll likely need one when I eventually return home.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at January 30, 2007, 1:17 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | got a bit less than $1200 out of NT and now I'm done with the bastards. Some of this was beyond their control but most of it was due to them being a bunch of panicky gutless idiots. 36 hours notice and none of this shit would have happened the way it did and I hope they all get ass raped in prison once all their customers get their money. It's not like they didn't know they were breaking the law before their ex-execs got pinched.
Used a 2+2er, alias gone.flying. Took 20 min start to finish.
The going rate now seems to be between 7-8% (though there are baragains out there) with the added risk/headaches of the account locks on NT (btw, there's a reason no one is paying the ridiculous 15%+ rate one person quoted me BEFORE the closures and I haven't seen his name pop up in the huge "this guy is ok" thread on 2+2, but I won't name him here, you know who you are).
The whole thing cost me a bit more than $90, which pisses me off in general (and NT did not waive the f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: grimgrin at January 30, 2007, 12:09 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | From my other post.
grimgrin wrote: US banks have banned EFTs coming from neteller as I understand it. So this is actually not netellers fault, but is due to the arrest which caused US banks to stop accepting EFTs from neteller. Neteller is not the problem.
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at January 30, 2007, 11:46 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | If you're still happy with them Grim thats your business. There's an old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". I won't be fooled again.
You have seen how badly they have screwed us. What happens if or when something else changes that affects you (non U.S)?
You can argue that they didnt screw us, that it was our feds and thats certainly true to a point. But they should have had procedures in place since we're not that far from the 270 day window and they apparently did'nt. I don't beleive for a moment that they were going to stay in the U.S. market.
It's strange that the p2p is the only thing working for us now and Neteller will probably make a ton in fee's. It was my understanding that they owned their card unit so why cut us off from using it?
I'll stand by my predictions.
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| Posted by: grimgrin at January 30, 2007, 9:06 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Pinos wrote: IceboxCharlie wrote: I don't want to start a panic, oops there is already one started. Get your money out any way you can. Be carefull of scammers.
I predict that Neteller will never recover from this debacle. If and when they start trading on the stock market again they will take a huge hit. This crap is alll over every poker and casino forum on the net. The europeans and others outside of the U.S will not be willing to trust their dollars to such a poorly run company. Neteller will in the future, either be bankrupt or a very smalll player in the e-walllet business.
My 2 cents.
TRUE, as soon as i see a better option im out of neteller for good, im non US so i can still use it, I am fuckd by neteller too since i can move around my money but can't bring it home
Neteller is still working fine for non-US. Since this has happened I have done two EFTs and received funds within 3 days and have been moving money between sites as usual. Everything wo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: freni126 at January 30, 2007, 6:41 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | It has been a while since I posted here.. actually I didn't know the forum still existed.. guess I was wrong.. =)
As I am non US I am not affected (yet). I helped an american friend (that is a regular poster on this forum) to get his money out of his neteller account with only the 1,9% peer to peer fee and then a player to player transfer in Pokerstars...
As some of you guys pay 5% (!) for the transfer there's a gap of 3,1% percentage units to avoid... so... if any of you guys need help getting it out of neteller into a pokersite I can help.. if you trust me... =)
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| Posted by: Pinos at January 30, 2007, 1:53 am | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | IceboxCharlie wrote: I don't want to start a panic, oops there is already one started. Get your money out any way you can. Be carefull of scammers.
I predict that Neteller will never recover from this debacle. If and when they start trading on the stock market again they will take a huge hit. This crap is alll over every poker and casino forum on the net. The europeans and others outside of the U.S will not be willing to trust their dollars to such a poorly run company. Neteller will in the future, either be bankrupt or a very smalll player in the e-walllet business.
My 2 cents.
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at January 29, 2007, 9:28 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | I don't want to start a panic, oops there is already one started. Get your money out any way you can. Be carefull of scammers.
I predict that Neteller will never recover from this debacle. If and when they start trading on the stock market again they will take a huge hit. This crap is alll over every poker and casino forum on the net. The europeans and others outside of the U.S will not be willing to trust their dollars to such a poorly run company. Neteller will in the future, either be bankrupt or a very smalll player in the e-walllet business.
My 2 cents.
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| Posted by: ForgiveMe4ImDumb at January 29, 2007, 9:14 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: ForgiveMe4ImDumb wrote: it should still be good but theres a lot of 2p2ers having their accounts closed over the last hour - mine may well be next
somethings in the air, whatever the hell is goin on.
Though I certainly don't blame the people doing the transfers from halting things for a bit, it does seem to appear that neteller may just be doing security checks to cover their ass. I've read that a number of people who've had their accounts closed have had them reopened after answering some routine questions. The bullshit answers NT's CS is giving indicates to me that NT knows exactly what's going on but want to cover themselves. I think it will be business as usual tomorrow though perhaps at a greater cost per transfer. If I can get neteller to actually reverse my last eft I'll try and get my money out tomorrow.
my Neteller just closed
im gonna call them in the morning and if they can point me towards the relevant T&Cs w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobDoral at January 29, 2007, 8:37 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | ForgiveMe4ImDumb wrote: it should still be good but theres a lot of 2p2ers having their accounts closed over the last hour - mine may well be next
somethings in the air, whatever the hell is goin on.
Though I certainly don't blame the people doing the transfers from halting things for a bit, it does seem to appear that neteller may just be doing security checks to cover their ass. I've read that a number of people who've had their accounts closed have had them reopened after answering some routine questions. The bullshit answers NT's CS is giving indicates to me that NT knows exactly what's going on but want to cover themselves. I think it will be business as usual tomorrow though perhaps at a greater cost per transfer. If I can get neteller to actually reverse my last eft I'll try and get my money out tomorrow.
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at January 29, 2007, 6:26 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Am I required to withdraw my money from NETELLER?
No, there is no requirement for US members to withdraw their funds from their e-wallet accounts. US members will still be able to use their NETELLER e-wallet accounts for safe online transactions to non-gambling merchants and secure peer-to-peer transfers.
peer to peer should still be good.
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| Posted by: xxdemexx at January 29, 2007, 5:51 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | If anyones interested I can probably do a small NT - PS transfer for the usual 2p2 rate...
References here..... http://www.pokerforums.org/memberlist.php?&order=DESC&sort=posts&pp=30
PM me on this board to confirm if you wish
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yahoo: xxDemexxs
The 5% includes the 1.9% NT fee - i.e its the normal 2p2 deal...
Small deals: $30 if its less than $600
if mods want then delete as inappropriate.. offers there - use it or lose it..
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| Posted by: ForgiveMe4ImDumb at January 29, 2007, 5:48 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | Gonzo787 wrote: grimgrin wrote: RobDoral wrote:
[editx2] Ok, now I'm reading that this CAN be done and that neteller has stopped being dicks about this? Sigh... The going rate seems to be 5% of the amount in question, any non-US BWers want to give this a shot? Probably best to PM me if so and I'll keep slogging through the damn threads to see if this option is still viable in the meantime.
Still ok for non-US to accept US fund transfers then?
Yes
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at January 29, 2007, 1:20 pm | | Topic: non Americans doing a neteller peer to peer and then... Forum: Bonus Whores | grimgrin wrote: RobDoral wrote:
[editx2] Ok, now I'm reading that this CAN be done and that neteller has stopped being dicks about this? Sigh... The going rate seems to be 5% of the amount in question, any non-US BWers want to give this a shot? Probably best to PM me if so and I'll keep slogging through the damn threads to see if this option is still viable in the meantime.
Still ok for non-US to accept US fund transfers then?
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