| Posted by: AceM at June 24, 2004, 9:05 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | NL and it's not even a contest... when I first started playing online it was limit but now it's No limit. I play both games equally well, but I don't get swings with no limit ever. I win 90 percent of the games I sit down at no limit, but it's more like 80 percent at limit and my hourly rate is higher at no limit too. Of course I only play soft games or games with maniacs... but can you really hold that against me?
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| Posted by: m0nger at June 23, 2004, 1:33 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | | I never played NL until I started playing online, as there's really no equiv of live games to the low max buyin, small blinds NL games that are online, and I could never afford to sit in on the few live NL games that are around here at the various casinos from time to time. I think I'm better at NL tho, then limit, after playing online, and hardly ever play limit games anymore. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xedubx at June 22, 2004, 2:32 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | | I used to be a strictly NL, PL ring game player, but now, I'm mostly limit player. I think it is really hard being good at both, since it is a completely different animal. It used to be that I would get a beating every time I sat at a limit table when I was playing NL all the time. Now, the complete opposite is true. Nowadays, I prefer limit games since there is less low swings with limit. If you take a couple of bad beats in NL game, you are pretty much screwed for the day. I guess I prefer steady winning to big wins combined with few big losees. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at June 19, 2004, 7:28 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | Here is my take on Limit vs NL
for 1 I play NL pretty much 80% of the time on partypoker. The $25NL games there are more profitable than the $100NL because the people dont have a clue what they are doing on the lowest limits and just "give" you their whole stacks.. Another prefered option is sitting at a 6 table NL and since they bet with virtually nothing on those tables because they think it's Shorthanded (shorthanded is 5 players or less to be specific) they will bet right in to you.. find a nice juicy table with big average pots and just wait for your hands..dont worry about losing blinds at all..you will get paid off when they decide they are going to bluff against your trips with a high kicker.
Limit poker...where to begin.. I will make this short..I hate it..I hate being run down by 27o which seems to happen lots there.. These players usually pay you off but I rather sit there and trap someone in NL poker than to watch someone chase a 2 outter right to the river and screw me o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: microbob at June 19, 2004, 5:06 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | [quote="hofdaddy"] I know that I should find another site to play since so many people play at PP and play terrible hands quote]
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| Posted by: penguin at June 17, 2004, 12:56 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote: I cant believe that anything that Helmuth says, writes or shits out is useful!! no hard feelings man! I dont hold grudges
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at June 16, 2004, 6:56 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | I cant believe that anything that Helmuth says, writes or shits out is useful!! no hard feelings man! I dont hold grudges
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| Posted by: elric at June 16, 2004, 6:56 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | I am gonna look you up with my rags and pray for a mircale... Hey its my money and I can donate it away any way I like. Nah Nah Na Nah Nah.
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| Posted by: penguin at June 16, 2004, 6:09 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: WTF?? Did you not read the entire post?? I was talking about Pacific poker and their limit games. Like I said there are a lot of players that will stay in with a bare 3 looking for another. If they hit good for them. I understand that it happens from time to time.
Yes, I'm familiar with the players who will stay in with anything, and if it wasn't for them, I might have to get a real job. I was just pointing out that your AQ isn't as invulnerable as you seemed to think. I guess I missed your point, and leapt on a slight misuse of the word nuts. Sure, you're about a 10-1 favourite, here (which is a situation I'd gladly be in) but it's not the nuts.
Quote: Idiot?? Lovely you are new here and already spouting off at the mouth.
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| Posted by: SKINNY at June 15, 2004, 12:39 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | There is a quite simple answer here. Like some said, you better play what your best at. Most people can do one or the other. If you let your ego interfere, you'll be looking even harder for the next bonus. If you have the ability to think unbias about yourself, just stick to what you understand. I see very few people that play both well. Personally, I think no limit has the bigger gap between a good and bad player. Someone was talking of pot odds. And it just makes since that being able to make a bet, that makes it pot odd unworthy, means that when your opponet calls, he is making a bigger mistake. But if you do well at limit, there is a better than average chance, that you will struggle with NL. Good Luck
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at June 15, 2004, 6:49 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | penguin wrote: hofdaddy wrote: They also will stay in with a low pair (say you have AKs, you raise preflop, the flop is AK3 (rainbow) and one of your opponents stays in with Q3s. They will pay you to see another 3 or Q even though you are sitting on the nuts)
Erm, no. 33 KK, AA, all have you drawing dead / slim. Furthermore, someone with the straight draw (QJ QT JT) may get the card they need. Then there's a runner-runner flush draw. One thing you definately don't have is the nuts.
WTF?? Did you not read the entire post?? I was talking about Pacific poker and their limit games. Like I said there are a lot of players that will stay in with a bare 3 looking for another. If they hit good for them. I understand that it happens from time to time.
Quote: I have lost much, much money to people who are just there to play whatever cards they have in their hand for whatever amount of money I may bet.
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| Posted by: penguin at June 13, 2004, 4:33 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote: They also will stay in with a low pair (say you have AKs, you raise preflop, the flop is AK3 (rainbow) and one of your opponents stays in with Q3s. They will pay you to see another 3 or Q even though you are sitting on the nuts)
Erm, no. 33 KK, AA, all have you drawing dead / slim. Furthermore, someone with the straight draw (QJ QT JT) may get the card they need. Then there's a runner-runner flush draw. One thing you definately don't have is the nuts.
Quote: I have lost much, much money to people who are just there to play whatever cards they have in their hand for whatever amount of money I may bet.
And this is a bad thing HOW? Or are you another one of the idiots who'd rather play against good players?
I could be nasty and say that you obviously don't understand poker if you think people playing bad cards is good for you. Of course they suckout sometimes
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| Posted by: penguin at June 13, 2004, 4:32 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote: They also will stay in with a low pair (say you have AKs, you raise preflop, the flop is AK3 (rainbow) and one of your opponents stays in with Q3s. They will pay you to see another 3 or Q even though you are sitting on the nuts)
Erm, no. 33 KK, AA, all have you drawing dead / slim. Furthermore, someone with the straight draw (QJ QT JT) may get the card they need. Then there's a runner-runner flush draw. One thing you definately don't have is the nuts.
Quote: I have lost much, much money to people who are just there to play whatever cards they have in their hand for whatever amount of money I may bet.
And this is a bad thing HOW? Or are you another one of the idiots who'd rather play against good players?
I could be nasty and say that you obviously don't understand poker if you think people playing bad cards is good for you. Of course they suckout sometimes
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| Posted by: Impulsive at June 12, 2004, 6:21 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | To clear bonusses I play limit.
To make money I play NL and preferably on UB. The NL games over there are a laugh. People call all the way with top pair. Even when the odds are against them. Just be prepared for some swings and bad beats. Thing on UB is that there is a pattern to be recognised in the software.
I am also interested in the UB points. guess why?
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at April 1, 2004, 8:23 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | | I have spoke with JP many times about this topic and here are just some things that I have come across. I have been playing limit for a little while now and I have noticed that people will ALWAYS stay in a pot with draws, however small, all of the time! They also will stay in with a low pair (say you have AKs, you raise preflop, the flop is AK3 (rainbow) and one of your opponents stays in with Q3s. They will pay you to see another 3 or Q even though you are sitting on the nuts). I have also stayed in on those draws and hit them or missed them. That is the beauty of playing limit. The one drawback with playing limit though is the bluff. You just cant do it! You may be able to pull it off with a 3 person pot but when you have 5 or more callers I dont even bother. NL is a different monster altogether. I have lost much, much money to people who are just there to play whatever cards they have in their hand for whatever amount of money I may bet. Case in point...I was on PP last week and my cards were QQ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JPMcMoney at March 27, 2004, 9:09 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | My experiences are only at the lowest levels on each site so take it for what it is worth but, the reason I prefer no limit is as follows.
In poker, one of the major contributors to helping you turn a profit over time is capitalizing on your opponents mistakes. Everyone with me so far? In Limit, anytime someone makes an "improper call" (calling when they really aren't getting the best pot odds); it only costs them one structured bet, or a smaller percentage of the pot. In time, these mistakes will add up as profit, but in small quantities.
Take the same scenario in NL, if your opponent continues to "improperly call" pot sized bets. These mistakes will add up much more significantly over time. Hyustrider, you are correct that there may be a couple of $40 to $80 pots that you get a bad beat on, but if you keep building these pots like this when you have the lead or percentages in your favor, this will cost them, not you in the long run.
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| Posted by: lorinda at March 27, 2004, 6:27 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: If you're serious about making money over time, play limit.
If you want to gamble, play no-limit.
Of course, this assumes you have equal skill level at each.
Don't want to cause an argument, but the non-simple maths is that the Standard Deviation is lower for the same win rate playing No Limit.
This means you need a smaller bankroll (which in turn means you can play bigger)
HOWEVER, long term, I believe that the mid/high limit games online are easier at limit than they are at no-limit, but if you are winning the same amount in both your games, No-limit presents the lower risk, it is a common error to believe that limit is the lower risk.
Thinking about the reasons for a moment:
In limit you are constantly playing flush draws and straight draws, a run of hits/misses leads to greater fluctuations.
Anyway, no offense meant, just putting your right from the maths side of things.
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| Posted by: HyuStrider at March 27, 2004, 3:42 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | If you're serious about making money over time, play limit.
If you want to gamble, play no-limit.
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| Posted by: lorinda at March 26, 2004, 11:22 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | Although I'm a NL (tourney) player by trade, Limit is almost always the best option when whoring.
To get the equivalent rake (Which is often a requirement, especially at UB) you have to play a NL game that is somewhat higher than the respective limit game.
As a rule of thumb, if you are equally skilled at both formats, you should have lower fluctuations at no-limit for the same win rate, however people underestimate how difficult it is to move from one game to the other as they are TOTALLY different games.
Stick to what you are best at, if you fancy a change, do it at a site where raked hands are the only criteria and play the lowest available limit at your 'new' game.
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at March 26, 2004, 8:39 pm | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | | I much prefer limit. I have been absolutely destroyed by some of these no limit games. Granted, I have read very little on NL so maybe that is my problem. I have a diffucult time buying in for any more than the minimum. Also, at a loose table I have come to learn that unless you have the nuts or close to it, it likely isn't worth being very aggressive with your bets, especially on a loose no limit table where somebody can have any two cards. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JPMcMoney at March 26, 2004, 8:57 am | | Topic: NL vs. limit Forum: Bonus Whores | I have a question for all the whores, how many of you play NL vs. limit. Just curious of the percentages out there. If a site I am whoring at has NL tables, I will always play those vs. the limit tables. In my opinion, it makes peoples mistakes more costly, and thus more profitable for me (as long as I am not the one making the mistake of course). I am posting this to see which style each of you prefer. I guess this is sort of an informal poll. So what's your poison?
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