| Posted by: jek187 at March 17, 2005, 11:49 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: There is a $2 rake before the flop?
10% to $3. Not bad for live.
Quote: Ep bets, I need to know if anyone called between
Since it was just the blinds, EP, and EMP, nobody could call between the bettor and the hero.
Ok, here is what made the hand advanced. Maybe this is a case of FPS. I was the hero in this hand, and called as what I termed to myself as a semi-bluff call. The TAG likely does not have a made hand, because most TAGs will bet top pair, or a flush draw on the flop there. So, we're likely looking at a 1 card flush draw, a ten, eight, or some total bluff. Due to the 2-flush on the flop, we can also rule out sets, as a TAG will bet those hands there.
We have six clean outs, two kings look pretty good, two jacks look goodish. Also, we can make our straight when a 4 flush hits, and still win. Lump all that up, and we'll count it as 9 outs.
Obviously 2.8-1 isn't enough to call for a 9-out draw. However, su... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ripped at March 1, 2005, 11:17 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | fold..pot is too small to try and hit my straight when I could already be losing to the flush.
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| Posted by: steve_bev at February 28, 2005, 8:21 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | Just wave goodbye to your cards and your $5. With 3 others in the pot, 6 hole cards means odds are there's at least 1 club out there. About 50-50 it's a 9, J, K, or A, who would call a raise. You're out a minimum bet, no need to defend it at all. If you can't let one go by you shouldn't be playing, and you're not even defending a great hand... just a draw which could be dead. Sure, the 2 blinds have now checked the board twice, but one of them could be sitting on a check-raise, or a Jc 4h kind of hand that will call it down.
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| Posted by: AceM at February 28, 2005, 6:57 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | Wait I didn't notice the turn was a club, into the muck she goes... By the way if the turn is say a blank ten then the above post is relevant... otherwise into the muck she goes. Raising here is an option calling is terrible if the ten is a club. Best play is to muck it, you've got 5 invested.
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| Posted by: AceM at February 28, 2005, 6:53 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | This is simple math if you give more info. Ep bets, I need to know if anyone called between... if no one calls its 28 in the pot and you have 3 outs you know are good 4 are semi good, and possibly 6 more with your pairs. So I'm judging about 5 outs here to get inbetween with max betting to be 50 dollars the most you can make here is 128 bucks and no one is going to pay off a 50 dollar bet into a small pot like this. The 128 comes from say you get a maniac who hits 2 pair or something and doesnt realize youre on a straight... he bets out 50 on river, you raise 50 more he calls.... highly unlikely. Your odds here are only around 1-5 since I don't see anyone paying off more than a pot sized bet on the river. Fold.
If you get the other two to call you know you have only 3 good outs, the flush cards are dead outs... your king might win it, so you have 3 more possible outs so I'm giving it a 1.5 out since it's 50-50 win also this card makes another straight and possible 2 pair for KQ which is an unl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hofdaddy at February 28, 2005, 2:42 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | No thanks! Into the muck it goes
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at February 27, 2005, 4:13 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | I was going to try and answer this but then realized I can't even figure out this statement:
Quote: 4 to the flop for $18.
There is a $2 rake before the flop?
Guess I fold. I don't think I would be able to bet with much confidence even if I got a non-club to finish the straight so the implied odds aren't really turning me on here. EP has JT of spades?
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at February 27, 2005, 3:53 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | whackadoo wrote: If your stack is that big calling the 10 dollar bet shouldn't be that big a deal to chase it one more card. I don't like to chase but with an open ended straight I probably would. Ten dollars to see a card in that large a game isn't too bad no matter what pot odds say.
I don't play anything but regular fixed (low) limit yet, so this is really way out of my league. But I find scenarios intriguing (am just reading SSHE by Miller).
Anyway, regarding seeing the next card "cheap", I think I'd worry about two things:
a) I'm drawing dead, like the previous posts suggested
b) Even if EP is betting without the flush, there's always the risk of one of the blinds setting you up with a check-raise here, hoping for exactly a bet and and a call.
My personal choice would be to fold, but I know mr Miller suggests raising in some scenarios where my gut feeling is to fold, so will be interesting to hear more on this.
Hmm, on second thought: raising might... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IceNine at February 27, 2005, 3:23 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | | let the little pot go. if this were a NL game a half-pot bet from a TAG into a flushed board is big trouble. until it hits the cap, that's how i'd be looking at it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: party_steve at February 27, 2005, 12:09 am | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | I'd fold.
You might already be drawing dead. You only have 6 safe outs if you're not already dead - the 2 clubs that complete your straight give any club the victory, and you know anyone with a lone A, K (and depending how loose they are, possibly down through 10) of clubs is going to call.
There's also the possibility that EP made a gutshot straight, making 1 of your outs (the 9) tied up in his hand, leaving you with possibly only 2 safe 9's (which will only tie the pot) and 3 safe A's.
That's an awful lot of uncertainty for a tiny little pot.
If preflop had a lot more action and I was fighting for a lot of dead money already in the pot, sure. But here, I'm drawing for peanuts and can't safely bet big even if I do catch. Lets say the dream condition arrises - the A of hearts falls. EP bets another $10, you raise to $60 hoping to get paid off, and he raises to $110. You lost at least $70, possibly $120 if you call his reraise to keep him honest, all for a whopp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: whackadoo at February 26, 2005, 11:30 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | No fuckin' clue. If your stack is that big calling the 10 dollar bet shouldn't be that big a deal to chase it one more card. I don't like to chase but with an open ended straight I probably would. Ten dollars to see a card in that large a game isn't too bad no matter what pot odds say.
I would call and see the next card. If the bet is small on the turn I would see the river card. Again I don't care about the odds here. You only have 5 invested (to see the flop) and another 10 (to see the turn). That is chicken feed in this higher end game.
Just my two cents worth.
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| Posted by: jek187 at February 26, 2005, 10:15 pm | | Topic: 5-50 Hand 3 (Advanced) Forum: Bonus Whores | As with all 3 of these hands, I may or may not be "Hero." The point of these hands is to exercise your poker thinking abilities. Due to the odd structure of the game, these aren't situations you'll see talked about in a book, or even on other poker forums. This will help you get away from playing by rote, and actually think about why you do some of the things you do at the poker table.
Blinds: $2 & $5
Structure: Players may bet $5-$50 at any time. Raises must be at least the size of the previous bet/raise, and to limp preflop, costs $5.
All stacks should be considered sufficiently deep so as not to have a player all-in as a strategy consideration.
There is an EP limper, and folded to Hero in EMP who calls $5 with KJs (hearts.) Everyone else folds, except for the blinds, who call/check respectively. 4 to the flop for $18.
Flop: Q83 with two clubs. It's checked around.
Turn: T of clubs
Checked to EP, a TAGish type player, who bets $10.
1) Wha... | | Read Entire Entry |
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