| Posted by: OyvindG at April 24, 2005, 2:04 pm | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: OyvindG wrote: I would be more willing to call with say 55 on the SB because that's either hit a set or miss.
With a hand like 55 you can often be ahead on a heads up flop with a raisor, even if you don't hit your set. You have to pick your battles here though, and a decent read of your raising opponent comes in handy (even though it gives no guarantees). Even if he is a rather selective player, most raising hands are not paired - there are a lot more combinations of cards that give AK, AQ, AJ (suited or not) as opposed to AA, KK, QQ or JJ. So if you get a 249 rainbow flop - chanses are your pocket fives are actually the best hand.
If he is a super tight player that raises very seldom, you might be in trouble though. And even the loose aggressives sometimes have the big pocket pairs, of course. So you have to decide if you think it is worth it.
Exactly, when looking to get heads up, almost any PP is a hand to consider raising. However the flop p... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at April 24, 2005, 9:57 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | OyvindG wrote: I would be more willing to call with say 55 on the SB because that's either hit a set or miss.
With a hand like 55 you can often be ahead on a heads up flop with a raisor, even if you don't hit your set. You have to pick your battles here though, and a decent read of your raising opponent comes in handy (even though it gives no guarantees). Even if he is a rather selective player, most raising hands are not paired - there are a lot more combinations of cards that give AK, AQ, AJ (suited or not) as opposed to AA, KK, QQ or JJ. So if you get a 249 rainbow flop - chanses are your pocket fives are actually the best hand.
If he is a super tight player that raises very seldom, you might be in trouble though. And even the loose aggressives sometimes have the big pocket pairs, of course. So you have to decide if you think it is worth it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: OyvindG at April 24, 2005, 9:44 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | | An important thing to remember is that some hands are easier to play out of position than others. I would be more willing to call with say 55 on the SB because that's either hit a set or miss. A high card medium kicker like K9o is worse cause it's hard to tell where you stand if one of these hits. That said, defending the blinds is a very difficult subject. Reading a book on it might be wise, I think Sklansky touches it pretty good in "Hold em for advanced players"(I'm not sure though). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: svengance at April 24, 2005, 8:19 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks tizlinda for asking this question, cos its been driving me nuts, people raising on my blinds, and me going, "What's correct strategy here?" (And by that, you can tell i am formerly a Blackjack whore)
Genrally, as I understand it in my limited knowledge thus far, one strategy (at least, the one I use) is to play SB loosest of all your hands. That is easy enough when you are just calling. But when someone raises my blind, and I have say 78s, or 9J or A5, or 55, I am stuck. I am talking about marginal hands that I would usually flat call.
Maybe I sound totally like a fish, but I really want to know what others would do with such on SB and facing a raise. I know some of it comes down to reading the player making the raise, but I am really bad at reading players (another reason maybe why I sould go back to BJ). But just as there are certain hands generally agreed as being better hole cards than others, surely there must be some sort of general strategy that could hold in a genera... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nafanny29 at April 24, 2005, 2:37 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | tizlinda wrote: well, the question wasn't really what to do with a 2 or 3 raise situation, that is pretty self evident. The decision becomes harder when it is only one raise. And even more hard when its the same one or two guys. Usually if I know its the same guy I will call him and raise him post flop just to see, often times he folds quickly.
The hands I'm having the most trouble with (the ones I almost always have to think about before acting); are suited or possible str8 hole cards, (that I wouldn't normaly play ever) when Im BB and facing one raise. I'm thinking, If I hit, the pot may or may not be worth it, if I catch a little will I be forced to chase and lose more or fold and surrender two bets on hands I shouldn't be playing, or do I fold and just surrender every BB to a single raise (that would happen nearly every BB, and at 2-4 would kill my BB/100 at that position, which is what I'm trying to improve on).
When its the same player steeling time and time again ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tizlinda at April 22, 2005, 7:32 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | well, the question wasn't really what to do with a 2 or 3 raise situation, that is pretty self evident. The decision becomes harder when it is only one raise. And even more hard when its the same one or two guys. Usually if I know its the same guy I will call him and raise him post flop just to see, often times he folds quickly.
The hands I'm having the most trouble with (the ones I almost always have to think about before acting); are suited or possible str8 hole cards, (that I wouldn't normaly play ever) when Im BB and facing one raise. I'm thinking, If I hit, the pot may or may not be worth it, if I catch a little will I be forced to chase and lose more or fold and surrender two bets on hands I shouldn't be playing, or do I fold and just surrender every BB to a single raise (that would happen nearly every BB, and at 2-4 would kill my BB/100 at that position, which is what I'm trying to improve on). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: topdawg2003 at April 22, 2005, 6:23 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm not a big fan of poker tracker... i'm clearing over 8 BB / 100 hands in fixed limit and about 12 BB / 100 hands in NL and it still says i'm "semi-loose". Also, I had it analyze my stats from a multi table where i won a $4,000 first prize, and it said i played Loose- agrressive / passive.... go figure... i can sit down at a tourney table and tell you exactly who's tight-aggressive / aggressive, and i'll own them in no limit just by pushing them around until i make them play out of character, or if they're really disciplined, by outflopping them one time...
Also, it won't let me use stats from BoDog, where i turned a $20 deposit into $700 in a week playing strictly no limit, so overall, i'm probably closing in on about 15 BB / 100 hands at no limlit, maybe more. I mean, i like the stats that it gives me, (tells me that i should stop playing sutied connectors as much, which did help my game) but i don't feel i'd improve my game if i played tight aggressive / aggressive... Thats just not my sty... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: pokerstar at April 21, 2005, 8:37 pm | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | | The way I see it, if you don't have a strong hand when raised 2x or 3x on your big blind, just fold it. You figure that when you're on the button, you'll steal your share of blinds. Just like when you are BB or SB, others will steal your blinds. No use to play a bad hand unless you have the pot odds. More often than not, you'll end up playing something like 78os and you'll hit top pair and then you'll get reeled in and you'll lose a big pot. Just lay it down and wait for your next opportunity. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: steve_bev at April 20, 2005, 7:21 pm | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: You can't play poker with Pinochle decks!!!
lol. "lessee... full house, full house, straight flush, two royal flushes... woo-hoo! I win! Five of a kind!"
As far as playing the blinds when raised, how big's the pot? That's the only real concern for marginal hands. Where did the raise come from? UTG, MP, cutoff, button? If it puts you heads-up, do you have a hand that would win heads-up unimproved? If it's a six-way pot, I'd call with anything (just did last night, capped preflop by the time it got to my BB, with 5(!) callers. Had KTs, decided it was worth the 3.5 small bets ($3.50) to get a shot at this already $25 pot, which was going to grow quickly post flop. Flop was AXXs, giving me the nuts. Sweet!).
I think in PT, my 'fold SB to steal' is close to 90%. BB I defend more often.
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at April 20, 2005, 7:02 pm | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | You can't play poker with Pinochle decks!!!
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| Posted by: tizlinda at April 20, 2005, 11:36 am | | Topic: what to do with pre flop raise on the blinds Forum: Bonus Whores | I have severely improved my game with poker tracker (not even playing K-10 off anymore). My BB/100 is over 5 from 1.5 over the last 4000 hands since being more selective. My small blind is actually in the green (has to be just luck there). But I still feel I can improve my blind play.
I play only limit, some short some full. Every time I am on one of the blinds and am raised preflop I have this debate with myself. I am just not sure what to do. It happens so often that I feel I cannot just fold to them. If I'm calling three bets and my hand isn't AA or KK I usually fold, with one raise, however, and I'm holding suited pair, low pair, or just two in sequence or close to sequence (all hands I normally fold) I have this delimma.
There is probably no set answer here. Sometimes its the same guy stealing my blind every time and I might call him to just to put an end to it, but more often than not its different people (especially on a full ring); so I can expect to either pay twic... | | Read Entire Entry |
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