| Posted by: sjguppy at May 27, 2005, 4:08 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | jek187 wrote: Quote: player behind me [cold] calls (he is decent..
Right when I read this, I realized he wasn't good.
And the fact he had AQ, and then folded it getting silly odds on the end marks him as just another punter in my book.
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| Posted by: jek187 at May 27, 2005, 3:06 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: player behind me [cold] calls (he is decent..
Right when I read this, I realized he wasn't good.
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| Posted by: sjguppy at May 26, 2005, 1:27 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | From what I added up there were 13 big bets in the pot when he folded. He may be playing bigger table games there and even bigger online but he is not a good player. Playing higher stakes only means you loose more. It doesn't have anything to do with your ability.
He already saw you raising preflop and called. The only think I can come up with is that he was trying to bluff you and thought you were trying to bluff yourself. His bet on the river could have been a desperation bluff and he tossed his hand knowing he was dead. But, why be in the hand in the first place since you raised preflop. He probably did have the A,Q. But if he did have A,Q he is an idiot to fold for one more bet. He can play at my tables anytime. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: derek at May 25, 2005, 3:30 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | derek wrote: I think he would have 3 bet preflop with AK or pocket 10's.my guess is AQ,pocket 9's or possibly but doubt A 10s. why check raise river?? what would he fold other then a total bluff?? I would think I was beat on the turn and fold or check call the rest of the way if he was a aggressive maniac type player.
so what happened??
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| Posted by: IceNine at May 25, 2005, 12:12 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | welll... he flashed the Q and said he folded AQ. i suppose he could've had a busted draw.
the river check-raise was mostly a desperation 'is there any way i can win this pot?' kind of move, but i thought that there was at least a 10% chance that he either A: had T9, or B: he had a big busted draw, or C: would fold a better hand- there was a completed flush and a pair on board, and he was tight.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 25, 2005, 12:01 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: IceNine wrote: flop comes out Ah Tc 9c Cha Ngo wrote: I'll go with AhQd IceNine wrote: cha ngo is right again Man, if Cha was right, I'd beat up the dealer and run away with the remainder of my money. I don't like multiple aces of the same suit when I play
Sure, drag me down during my ten seconds of fame.
Ice Nine, did you say "good fold"?
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at May 25, 2005, 9:00 am | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | | IceNine wrote: flop comes out Ah Tc 9c Cha Ngo wrote: I'll go with AhQd IceNine wrote: cha ngo is right again Man, if Cha was right, I'd beat up the dealer and run away with the remainder of my money. I don't like multiple aces of the same suit when I play | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homer at May 25, 2005, 5:04 am | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | IceNine wrote: cha ngo is right again. it's kinda scary how accurately he's been calling out the results of the hands i post. i'll do another and see how he does...
my raise will show a profit if he mucks a better hand 1/10 times in that situation (vs a check-call). I felt that there was a better than 1/10 chance that he would muck AQ, AJ, or AT, given the scary paired, flushed board.
He actually folded AQ? I can't imagine an opponent playing the hand this way having a better hand more than 9/10 of the time. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homer at May 25, 2005, 5:01 am | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | I don't get it. It can't be a value raise, because the only hand you beat is T9, and he won't pay you off with that if he's decent, even getting 10:1.
It must be a bluff then, and I can't see him laying down AQ. If I'm him, when you checkraise the river, I get confused. And when I'm confused about how someone played a hand, it's usually a monster or a bluff. This certainly looks to be a bluff. The way you played the hand on the flop and turn, it looks like a stop-and-go with a vulnerable made hand to protect against a free card on a draw heavy board. Your checkraise on the river is unlikely to mean a big hand, because very few people will bet and call a raise on the flop and then lead the turn with a set, and especially not with a flush draw.
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| Posted by: steve_bev at May 25, 2005, 2:57 am | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | The flip side is he should call with AQ even if he thinks he's beat if he's getting better than 10-1 that you could be bluffing. Can't remember what thread we discussed this in, but it's something picked up from a CardPlayer mag six or so months back. If he's playing right, he has to call unless he's better than 95% sure you've got him beat.
Which is why I'm surprised for one last bet he's laying it down after already betting on the river. Pretty weak-tight, not even giving you a crying call, I think most players call you there.
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| Posted by: IceNine at May 25, 2005, 1:26 am | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | cha ngo is right again. it's kinda scary how accurately he's been calling out the results of the hands i post. i'll do another and see how he does...
my raise will show a profit if he mucks a better hand 1/10 times in that situation (vs a check-call). I felt that there was a better than 1/10 chance that he would muck AQ, AJ, or AT, given the scary paired, flushed board. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: steve_bev at May 24, 2005, 2:19 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | Wait, I think I got it... your check-raise got him to fold the one hand I forgot about... another AJ, right? You took down the whole pot instead of splitting it.
I still say the check-raise is a big risk, though.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 23, 2005, 6:00 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | I'll go with AhQd.
He laid it down and showed you making a comment like "caught the flush, huh?".
I hope you said "good fold".
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at May 23, 2005, 5:02 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | He missed his open ended and folded
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| Posted by: steve_bev at May 23, 2005, 5:00 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm a bit stymied too. I don't see how the check-raise on the river will get him to fold anything you can't beat anyway. You're representing at least a flush here, but for 1 more bet into this pot, he'd probably call with whatever he's got. The only way this is +EV, I think, is if you can get him to lay down AK or AQ for fear of AT, A9, A2, a flush or a boat, but with 13 big bets in the pot he's probably going to make a crying call with AK or AQ, no?
If he's got KK, QQ, or any pocket pair besides AA, 99, or TT, I get his raise after the flop, but not his raise after the turn, so those hands are out, right? If he's raising after the turn w KK, he's putting you on a weak A he thinks he can get you to lay down, but he'd have to be crazy to think you'd have one since you raised UTG+1, which puts you on at least ATo, or A8s or better.... which means in his mind half the time you'll have flopped two pair vs. his underpair.
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| Posted by: derek at May 23, 2005, 4:21 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | I think he would have 3 bet preflop with AK or pocket 10's.my guess is AQ,pocket 9's or possibly but doubt A 10s. why check raise river?? what would he fold other then a total bluff?? I would think I was beat on the turn and fold or check call the rest of the way if he was a aggressive maniac type player.
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| Posted by: pilgrimshoes at May 23, 2005, 2:47 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | if he has raised you on the flop and turn, why check raise the river...
I'd be worried about the J kicker, a set, two pair, hell there are lots of things to be worried of. my first intuition would be a paired ace and a club draw, which came out.
or, he could have been trying to push you out and may fold.. that seems a bit unlikely though....
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| Posted by: IceNine at May 23, 2005, 2:06 pm | | Topic: 4/8 hand- i raise the river... Forum: Bonus Whores | 4/8 live game at pakers casino in shoreline washington:
I am utg+1 in a 6 handed game and look down to see AsJs, and i raise
player behind me calls (he is decent, he was waiting for a seat in 8/16, and has mentioned that he plays 15-30 online a lot, so i assume he's competent)
button calls, BB calls, four players in
flop comes out Ah Tc 9c
i bet, plater behind raises, other two players fold, i call
turn 2d
i bet, he raises, i call
river 2c
i check, he bets, i raise...
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