| Posted by: wontstop985 at June 14, 2005, 5:14 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | i haven't read any books yet. i've only been playin poker for 3 weeks, but i'm playing 3/6 already (4-tabling at party)... lol . Up $2,000. Will reading books improve my game? I don't like to read books but if it will make me more $ then i'll consider it lol.
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| Posted by: klo at June 12, 2005, 10:20 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | As far as low limit O/8 goes, Steve Badger's articles on his website are the most useful things I've read. I think loose low-limit O/8 is the ideal bonus-whoring game.
I like the Ciaffone/Reuben PL/NL book.
Theory of Poker, Theory of Poker, Theory of Poker. Except that I get the distinct impression that big-bet poker bugs the shit of Sklansky because it's more player-oriented than math-oriented. Still, if I could only have one poker book, there's no question it would be Theory of Poker.
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| Posted by: pokahpro at June 11, 2005, 11:41 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | IceNine wrote: As far as HLSP goes, I think that the stud/8 section is superior to the omaha/8 section. I used to play a helluva lot of omaha/8, both PL and limit, but i find stud and stud/8 far, far more intresting and skillful, and those are the games i play most nowadays. (when i'm not clearing bonus at warp speed playing 6max 1/2- or 5max at paradise- jesus! today i had three tables each going at over 120h/hr!)
Zee's omaha advice is only on par with the competition, but i've found both the stud/8 section of HLSP and 7CSFAP to be the best things written on their respective games, by far. I haven't read todd brunson's stud/8 section os SS2 yet, though i hear it's excellent. the oroginal stud section in SS is also very, very good, but most of the concepts in it are geared toward games against experts and don't translate perfectly to low-limit online games.
I have to agree. I read through the stud8 portion of the book in a few days. Very good. I've been playing more st... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IceNine at June 11, 2005, 9:37 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | As far as HLSP goes, I think that the stud/8 section is superior to the omaha/8 section. I used to play a helluva lot of omaha/8, both PL and limit, but i find stud and stud/8 far, far more intresting and skillful, and those are the games i play most nowadays. (when i'm not clearing bonus at warp speed playing 6max 1/2- or 5max at paradise- jesus! today i had three tables each going at over 120h/hr!)
Zee's omaha advice is only on par with the competition, but i've found both the stud/8 section of HLSP and 7CSFAP to be the best things written on their respective games, by far. I haven't read todd brunson's stud/8 section os SS2 yet, though i hear it's excellent. the oroginal stud section in SS is also very, very good, but most of the concepts in it are geared toward games against experts and don't translate perfectly to low-limit online games.
but before you read anything else, read TOP- you really have to read it at least once to be able to fully understand the advanced series (HLSP, HE... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: macman at June 11, 2005, 9:25 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | I thought Psychology of Poker was the most valuable poker book I've read to date. IMHO, this book is a must read and re-read from time to time.
All of Sklansky's books are very worthwhile. Brunson's books are must reads. Harrington's book is very good.
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at May 26, 2005, 1:16 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | I am in the middle of Harrington on Holdem this is a great tourney book.
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| Posted by: pokahpro at May 23, 2005, 8:42 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | ed209 wrote:
- Hi-Lo Spilt Poker for Advanced Players (Ray Zee)
This one is my next purchase.
Also if your into the Hi/Lo games Phil's book has some good chapters on Stud8 and O8. I hear the HE half of the book is not very good but I don't play much HE aside from a freeroll tourney once in a while. I just skipped the first half of the book. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: shoesnatcher at May 23, 2005, 2:31 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | I agree with what others have suggested but I would definitely add The Tao or Poker by Phillips or Zen and the Art of Poker. Both books are IMHO a must read for new poker players irregardless of which game you play. The idea behind these two great books is to learn how to mentally prepare yourself for the ups and downs of poker. Since reading these books I have had far fewer problems with tilting!
A couple of other Limit Hold Em books I would mention:
Ken Warren Teaches Holdem (good statistics and basic info)
Holdem Excellence Lou Kriegar (Good short straightforward approach)
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| Posted by: ed209 at May 19, 2005, 9:28 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | mattspoker wrote: Did I say fuck 2 + 2 loudly enough?
I'm sorry if no one at the zoo wanted to hear your conspiracy theories about otherwise normal variance.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 19, 2005, 7:19 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | mattspoker wrote: ok, Im gonna stand up for my boy ken. He has always had an impeccable math approach to poker, and we are talking omaha hi lo books. and i didnt say ray zee was horrble, just low on relevant content. ANd hell yes, those gay ass 2 +2 wankers are a click and he is an outsider. Cappaletti is kinda a disorganized read i think. Omaha decisions are pure math decisions and Ken helps you structure your hand selection and post flop play around math.
Ray zee is a concept book that hints at method, but doesnt come out and say it. as for super system, well lets not go into my opinion of it as much outside entertainment value. cloutier mcevoy championship omaha, funny i just read it again tonite, and its content low as well. Ciaffone isnt bad, but well, he wants to win $, and Ive adopted a lot of warren's teaching(except on KQJT and 2345) and I went from a bit over break even to a helathy win rate.
Did I say fuck 2 + 2 loudly enough?
I think Warren is a couple o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at May 19, 2005, 6:56 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | ok, Im gonna stand up for my boy ken. He has always had an impeccable math approach to poker, and we are talking omaha hi lo books. and i didnt say ray zee was horrble, just low on relevant content. ANd hell yes, those gay ass 2 +2 wankers are a click and he is an outsider. Cappaletti is kinda a disorganized read i think. Omaha decisions are pure math decisions and Ken helps you structure your hand selection and post flop play around math.
Ray zee is a concept book that hints at method, but doesnt come out and say it. as for super system, well lets not go into my opinion of it as much outside entertainment value. cloutier mcevoy championship omaha, funny i just read it again tonite, and its content low as well. Ciaffone isnt bad, but well, he wants to win $, and Ive adopted a lot of warren's teaching(except on KQJT and 2345) and I went from a bit over break even to a helathy win rate.
Did I say fuck 2 + 2 loudly enough?
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| Posted by: ed209 at May 19, 2005, 1:35 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | sjguppy wrote: mattspoker wrote: For your next step Id recommend all the books by Ken warren, except the big general book. It gets you started on the road to good hand and situational analyses. then, hit theory of poker to help your poker imagination work. Never ever again read a book by mike caro.
Does Ken Warren have a book on Omaha Hi-Lo or do you know of anyone else who does. I like the game just becuase I can use it for whoring while a play hold-em. It adds another table without much thought process. Also, it's so slow that it works like a filler game.
first off, I think any recommendation of a Warren book is off base. this author is repeatedly raked over the coals by the 2+2 members. this is not biased because they do recommend books written by other authors and publishers than their own, but NOT Ken Warren!
Even on Amazon, Warren's omaha book gets no better than 2-1/2 stars out of 5. other beginner books such as Tenner/Krieger, Cappeletti, and Cloutier/McEvoy ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sjguppy at May 19, 2005, 12:56 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | mattspoker wrote: sjguppy wrote: If you want to diversify a bit I would suggest High-Low-Split poker by Ray Zee. It's two books in one. the first section is 7 stud high low and the second section is Omaha Hi-Low. I have only read the first part of Omaha since that is what I am starting to play. Very easy to understand the basics if you already know how to play Hold-Em. I am sure there may be a better book but this one gives you enough to win at low limit.
Ray zee isnt much help on the hilo pro route. He doesnt go into advanced theory or hand selection.
For your next step Id recommend all the books by Ken warren, except the big general book. It gets you started on the road to good hand and situational analyses. then, hit theory of poker to help your poker imagination work. Never ever again read a book by mike caro.
Does Ken Warren have a book on Omaha Hi-Lo or do you know of anyone else who does. I like the game just becuase I can use it for whoring whil... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at May 19, 2005, 10:32 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | sjguppy wrote: If you want to diversify a bit I would suggest High-Low-Split poker by Ray Zee. It's two books in one. the first section is 7 stud high low and the second section is Omaha Hi-Low. I have only read the first part of Omaha since that is what I am starting to play. Very easy to understand the basics if you already know how to play Hold-Em. I am sure there may be a better book but this one gives you enough to win at low limit.
Ray zee isnt much help on the hilo pro route. He doesnt go into advanced theory or hand selection.
For your next step Id recommend all the books by Ken warren, except the big general book. It gets you started on the road to good hand and situational analyses. then, hit theory of poker to help your poker imagination work. Never ever again read a book by mike caro.
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| Posted by: sjguppy at May 18, 2005, 1:00 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | | If you want to diversify a bit I would suggest High-Low-Split poker by Ray Zee. It's two books in one. the first section is 7 stud high low and the second section is Omaha Hi-Low. I have only read the first part of Omaha since that is what I am starting to play. Very easy to understand the basics if you already know how to play Hold-Em. I am sure there may be a better book but this one gives you enough to win at low limit. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: IceNine at May 18, 2005, 11:49 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | in my humble opinion, the next book you read MUST be the Theroy of Poker by Sklansky. it's required reading for the books in the 'advanced' series (HEPFAP, 7CSFAP, HLSP) and after you read it you will begin to aquire a theroetical understanding of the game of poker- that is, you'll learn the 'why' behind all of the profitable plays that you already know, instead of just the 'how'. You'll be able to evaluate and adjust to specific situations that aren't covered in any book, and you'll begin to see all the games as more of varations on a theme than seperate games. (it also helps a ton if oyu're ever in crazy home games where they play stuff like baseball, follow the queen, chicago, etc)
also, another poster reccomended diversifying- after TOP, maybe try HLSP (high low split poker by Ray Zee) it covers both stud/8 and omaha /8. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 17, 2005, 12:17 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: What about "The Psychology of Poker", by Schoonmaker? I bought this one early on, but haven't read it yet. I started on it, but put it aside because I didn't feel like filling out forms/answering questions at the time...
Has anyone read it, and found it worthwhile (or worthless)?
Do I really need to do the quizzes and stuff, or is that just optional (and it is a decent read without them)?
(I'll probably pick it up again and keep reading some, once I find it... have apparently misplaced it somewhere )
Extremely worthwhile.
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| Posted by: kleptodathief at May 17, 2005, 8:30 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | me iz eliterit..so i can't read...i just follow the smell of fish
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at May 17, 2005, 7:53 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | What about "The Psychology of Poker", by Schoonmaker? I bought this one early on, but haven't read it yet. I started on it, but put it aside because I didn't feel like filling out forms/answering questions at the time...
Has anyone read it, and found it worthwhile (or worthless)?
Do I really need to do the quizzes and stuff, or is that just optional (and it is a decent read without them)?
(I'll probably pick it up again and keep reading some, once I find it... have apparently misplaced it somewhere ) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: hofdaddy at May 17, 2005, 7:38 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote: Cha Ngo wrote: Theory of Poker - Sklansky
No love for Pot-Limit Poker by Bob Ciaffone???
This was the first book I ever bought
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| Posted by: IronDragon1 at May 17, 2005, 12:09 am | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote: Well, i've read Miller et. al. LLHE, I've read Carson's book. I've read Helmuth (for entertainment value, mostly). I've read Caro. Now, I have about $60 worth of comp points on pokersourceonline and want to pick up a couple books.
I'm primarily a limit player...low stakes, but would like to move up to 3/6 and 5/10 and play more consistantly. Over the past couple months, I'm up about 1-1.5BB/100 (maybe more if you don't include crypto). I'd like to hit a couple tournies on occasion, but my bread & butter will remain limit games.
So, what do you advise?
Diversify if at all possible
Get Seven Card Stud For Advanced Players and Super System II (pay special attention to the Hi-Lo split and triple draw sections)
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at May 16, 2005, 11:01 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | I just finished a comp on a well known site that has been discused is this forum. I got 600 points. I cashed them in for 2 $30amazon gift certificates. I ordered
Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker by Reuben,Stewart; Ciaffone,Bob
The Theory of Poker by Sklansky,David
Harrington on Hold 'em: Expert Strategy for No Limit Tournaments
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at May 16, 2005, 9:15 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: Theory of Poker - Sklansky
No love for Pot-Limit Poker by Bob Ciaffone???
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| Posted by: depokerstar at May 16, 2005, 9:02 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | ed209 wrote: if you're already read Miller's SSHE, then Hold Em For Advanced Players is a logical next step. also, most people end up reading Theory of Poker sometime around where you're currently at - very abstract read, but the lessons once understood will last a lifetime.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 16, 2005, 7:51 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | Theory of Poker - Sklansky
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| Posted by: ed209 at May 16, 2005, 4:24 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | if you're already read Miller's SSHE, then Hold Em For Advanced Players is a logical next step. also, most people end up reading Theory of Poker sometime around where you're currently at - very abstract read, but the lessons once understood will last a lifetime.
Internet Texas Hold Em fits well in between WLLH and SSHE, it's got more useful hand examples than the other two books and gives more guidance to many specific situations. good for rounding off any remaining rough edges in your game before moving up to the big boy limits.
I haven't read it yet (it's in the mail tho); but SS2 has a new limit hold em chapter written by Jennifer Harman which got decent reviews, but is mostly rehash of the more established LHE books. it's a good value if you want to learn the other types of poker games covered by Doyle and company, without having to buy separate books for each. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Osric at May 16, 2005, 4:11 pm | | Topic: next book Forum: Bonus Whores | Well, i've read Miller et. al. LLHE, I've read Carson's book. I've read Helmuth (for entertainment value, mostly). I've read Caro. Now, I have about $60 worth of comp points on pokersourceonline and want to pick up a couple books.
I'm primarily a limit player...low stakes, but would like to move up to 3/6 and 5/10 and play more consistantly. Over the past couple months, I'm up about 1-1.5BB/100 (maybe more if you don't include crypto). I'd like to hit a couple tournies on occasion, but my bread & butter will remain limit games.
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