| Posted by: Grinder at June 27, 2005, 4:01 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: yep party at party it seems like i'm either hot or cold. huge swings in both directions,
ain't THAT the truth. Man - I'm in a cold streak at the moment. I won $1000 in 3/6 in 7 days last month and not I can't catch a hand.
Helmuth book is crap and REAL crap for limit - BTW.
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| Posted by: wontstop985 at June 27, 2005, 1:29 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: cmstaab wrote: Does anyone else find Party so damn swingy ?
Yep, lots of ups and downs Also playing mostly $0.5/1. At least the ups are bigger and/or more frequent than the downs, so I'm still happy.
yep party at party it seems like i'm either hot or cold. huge swings in both directions, but overall im averaging 3.3bb/100 at 3/6 (only 9k hands though).
also, i've never read hellmuth's book (or any other poker book); but omebody mentioned raising and reraising aggressively preflop, which I tend to do quite a bit for various reasons: to isolate a player (people are a lot less likely to cold call a 3-bet); to find out where I stand (AA, KK, QQ, and AKs will cap preflop way more often than any other hands); or to make myself look stronger (capping preflop and raising/reraising on the flop will buy you a pot quite a bit of the time, especially if no big cards flop). On the flop I like to check-raise people a lot to see how stro... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 2outer at June 12, 2005, 4:57 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I think many players think they are playing tight aggressive while they aren't. Not so long ago, I also thought I was playing good, but if I think about it now, I lost a lot of money after the flop then. You should ONLY call if you have a good draw (right pot odds) or a good hand (toppair good kicker, etc.). If another player is playing a hand aggressively you should be even more careful. You should realize the main reason good players win and bad players don't is because good players fold A LOT.
And with medium pairs you really want to hit a set or something, or fold it on the flop. You'll never have the pot odds to chase your set, and unless you have an overpair, someone almost always has you beat (especially in a loose game).
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| Posted by: am at May 25, 2005, 2:40 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm happy to say that my luck has changed and I have been winning money. It started when exams finished so maybe that has something to do with it. On one party reload I made $178 off of playing 1/2 10 ring.
Thankfully there are 4 party reloads this week.
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| Posted by: kleptodathief at May 17, 2005, 8:37 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | if ur losing low limits...give it up lol...all u gotta do is play ABC poker and win at lo limits... try sum NL if u got ballz
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| Posted by: Grinder at May 8, 2005, 7:53 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | If I only had 3 books for limit low lever hold'm/
#1 Small Stakes Hold'l - Ed Miller - the bible for LLH
#2 Hold'm Poker - Gary Carson
#3 Winners Guide to Texas Hold'm - Ken Warren
ALL the Sklansy books are awesome BUT for a slightly higher level and I STRONGLY suggest gettign them also.
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| Posted by: hackermike at May 8, 2005, 1:39 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | i havent read phils book but i would highly recommend ed miller's book. im not sure how experienced you are but i think there is a very beginner book and then winning low limit, which is what i read and it was very good, but if you havent been playing for very long, then it will be confusing.
chances are you are playing poorly AND going through a downswing in varience, which is making it even worse. i recently had been losing at $1/2 for my last few bonuses, so i moved down to .50/1 and am doing good. i was winning about 1.5 BB/hour at 1/2 for a while but have hit a hard downswing and am clearing some bonuses at .50/1 and its fine | | Static Link |
| Posted by: svengance at May 7, 2005, 11:57 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | ed209 wrote: these are the type of things that I did when improving from beginner to intermediate.
Ed209, thank you for your advice for improving players. I have a bad habit of folding decent 4-flush & 4-straight draws -- I must stop that. Secondly, I keep forgetting about limpers who are trying to win a free card or slowplay a big hand (must be because I do the same thing!). I definitely need to be more aggressive. I tried a couple of strategic raises in my last session, and won a couple of pots that I wouldn't otherwise have, so I can see how I need to incorporate this if I want to improve.. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: svengance at May 7, 2005, 11:43 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | Oh, so that's where all that preflop craziness you encounter sometimes comes from. Hellmuth's book!
Thank you for the enlightenment. I have long wondered why I sometimes see this string of raise/reraise/reraise-to-the-max preflop on some limit tables (usually involving several players). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at May 6, 2005, 2:01 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I can do a touch better than +1BB/100 at Party 1/2, but generally +2.5-3.0BB/100 at 50c/1, so lately I've been bumping down for bonus whoring and my results are a little more stable. But I can generally hold my own at any level between 25c/50c and $3/6.
if you're still fretting about specific hands then you're not looking at the long term. my very first poker book was Hellmuth but I never ended up finishing it before moving on to WLLH, and then SSHE, HEFAP and ITH. I've read a bunch of other books too that might have rounded me out overall, but any combination of these four can build a solid foundation (with emphasis on the Sklansky titles).
these are the type of things that I did when improving from beginner to intermediate:
- avoid playing low offsuit broadways like KT and QJ, especially in early position or against a raise
- never play Ax offsuit except in late position, and only as a blind stealing tactic
- small pairs where overcards flop, should be folded to a bet. I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: am at May 6, 2005, 7:43 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | Should I go back down to .50/1 on party. I have showed that I can win there in the past albeit less than 1BB/100? I'm not in it for the thrill of victory just making money. So it would not hurt my pride.
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at May 6, 2005, 3:52 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | cmstaab wrote: Does anyone else find Party so damn swingy ?
Yep, lots of ups and downs Also playing mostly $0.5/1. At least the ups are bigger and/or more frequent than the downs, so I'm still happy. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: cmstaab at May 5, 2005, 7:43 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | cmstaab wrote: am wrote: $200 pokernow bonus left me with $73. It keeps getting worse and worse.
Playing full ring holdem 1/2
call with 66 flop comes jj6. I'm in earlier positon so I check then smooth call late position. Then 7 comes check and smooth call again. A low card on the turn and bet out get reraised and then call.
The original bettor has 77 for a figher fullhouse. Almost a $30 pot.
Other one that stands out is KK early position so I raise pf. Get reraised and I cap it. Not worried about AA as I have no problem losing to AA with this hand. FLop is 2J2. I bet out and get called. 4 people still in it. The turn is a nothing card. Bet and get reraised and then call the raise. Other person calls the raise also. One folds. Turn is a nothing card also. I check, guy bets and I call. He wins with 92. Guy had no money in the pot and calls $3 preflop then my $1 raise to cap it. This was over a $30 pot.
Also had AA big blind and it ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cmstaab at May 5, 2005, 6:00 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | am wrote: $200 pokernow bonus left me with $73. It keeps getting worse and worse.
Playing full ring holdem 1/2
call with 66 flop comes jj6. I'm in earlier positon so I check then smooth call late position. Then 7 comes check and smooth call again. A low card on the turn and bet out get reraised and then call.
The original bettor has 77 for a figher fullhouse. Almost a $30 pot.
Other one that stands out is KK early position so I raise pf. Get reraised and I cap it. Not worried about AA as I have no problem losing to AA with this hand. FLop is 2J2. I bet out and get called. 4 people still in it. The turn is a nothing card. Bet and get reraised and then call the raise. Other person calls the raise also. One folds. Turn is a nothing card also. I check, guy bets and I call. He wins with 92. Guy had no money in the pot and calls $3 preflop then my $1 raise to cap it. This was over a $30 pot.
Also had AA big blind and it was folded around to me... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: am at May 5, 2005, 5:41 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | $200 pokernow bonus left me with $73. It keeps getting worse and worse.
Playing full ring holdem 1/2
call with 66 flop comes jj6. I'm in earlier positon so I check then smooth call late position. Then 7 comes check and smooth call again. A low card on the turn and bet out get reraised and then call.
The original bettor has 77 for a figher fullhouse. Almost a $30 pot.
Other one that stands out is KK early position so I raise pf. Get reraised and I cap it. Not worried about AA as I have no problem losing to AA with this hand. FLop is 2J2. I bet out and get called. 4 people still in it. The turn is a nothing card. Bet and get reraised and then call the raise. Other person calls the raise also. One folds. Turn is a nothing card also. I check, guy bets and I call. He wins with 92. Guy had no money in the pot and calls $3 preflop then my $1 raise to cap it. This was over a $30 pot.
Also had AA big blind and it was folded around to me.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at May 5, 2005, 5:16 pm | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: I think you have to slowly adapt your natural style of play to a better style. If you artificially change your game without having a feel for it. I think you get into trouble.
Psychology of Poker by Schoonmaker explains this well. It also tells us that it is natural for most to play losing poker.
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at May 5, 2005, 10:30 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I made a post a couple of weeks ago about how I tried to play tight aggressive after getting poker tracker and started losing big time. I think you have to slowly adapt your natural style of play to a better style. If you artificially change your game without having a feel for it. I think you get into trouble. if you are a winning player try to play your game while slowly becoming being more selective and/or more aggressive. Maybe you need to remember with those medium pairs with over cards on the board its fit or fold baby you are not going to get many low limit players to lay down over pairs by betting the out in limit.
I had a friend a couple of weeks ago that had just read super system and could not understand why he was losing I finally got it through to him the he was not playing the players that Brunson played/s He was playing players who would not lay down a hand because of a (fancy) play. I suggest you forget helmuths book and get sshe by Sklansky, Miller and Malmuth. In the preface sklan... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: neo_xx at May 5, 2005, 9:45 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I personally think Phil's book is too aggressive in some ways. Like frequently three betting a preflop raiser and a caller with a small pocketpairs preflop.
Id use sklanskys holdempoker for advanced players when prefl callers are around 20-50 % and something like Winning Low Limit Holdem by Lee Jones when its more than 50 %. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: am at May 5, 2005, 9:11 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I usually play limit. After a bad streak of limit I started doing the .10/25 cent no limit on party. I would buy in for $10 or so and play be agressive if I hit something. Not sure if tht is the best way cause when someone put me all in and I had 4 cards to the flush I would have to fold.
But then I went back to limit.
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| Posted by: am at May 5, 2005, 6:10 am | | Topic: been losing money Forum: Bonus Whores | I started playing tight-agressive like in Phil Hellmuths book but I have been losing money on reqular basis. More time than not when I sit down at a table I lose a few dollars and either I keep going down or I go up and then go down to around brek even. I am down 1.29BB/100 over 10 000 hands since April 1.
This doesn't even take into account the money I lost at absolute trying to fullfull requirements for an afilliate.
Poker tracker tells me I've been losing money with 77, 88, 99 so I will have to play those less agressively I guess.
I also am gonna stop 3 tabling for the moment as my laptop makes the screens overlap a fair bit.
Any other suggestions?
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