| Posted by: AceM at July 19, 2005, 8:17 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | | First, your reraise out of position should be more. I'd bet 20+ since you won't have position for the rest of the hand. Flop is perfect for you. If the guy has AK then oh well.... you lose. I'd bet right out at the flop because you won't get paid unless he has an ace usually. Back to how you played it, you should bet flop, he calls.... his call screams an ace or an idiot with a lower pair or possibly kq, unlikely because you have KK. I would have called him instantly and laughed when he flipped QQ. Your turn check was very weak, but it wasn't a bad check if you were trapping and were prepared to call whatever he bet... instead you folded... the problem in this hand is you're playing above your comfort level. Step down to where you feel comfortable then you can play. Scared money is worthless in NL. You made a terrible fold, only three hands beat you AA, AK, and A(turn card x). If the guy has AA he'd have reraised you preflop most likely, AK probably would have just called.... but again, you're pla... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at July 19, 2005, 2:59 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | KK on an AAK flop... I am either raking in a pot or rebuying those are the only two options. If the flop was KQQ he would have busted you, no way you are laying that down.
If you have me beat you have me beat, what am I supposed to wait for 4 Kings?
In NLHE you can't be afraid to lose your stack. It happens to the best players in the world.
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| Posted by: elf23 at July 19, 2005, 11:02 am | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: right right i fucked it up royally. everyone come play at my table and you can push me off of kings full of aces.
i think i just need to stick to limit for now. switching back and forth seems a negative EV prospect, and i actually feel like I'm starting to understand limit a bit.
I'll fill my NL cravings with SnGs where all-ins don't scare me as much.
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| Posted by: macman at July 15, 2005, 7:59 am | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I would have put the guy on Ax, definitely not AA or AK. Regardless, with the flop you got, I'm in this one for all my chips and would have been jumping with joy when he went all in. If by some chance he ends up with AA or AK, that's poker. But if you're not willing to risk your chips with that hand, you shouldn't be playing NL poker. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheFranchise at July 13, 2005, 5:25 am | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: Thank the good lord jeebus the river brings a beautiful king.
It's hard to play much of anything if the outcome means something to you. Experienced players don't post hands like you did because those hands simply don't matter. In time, they won't matter to you, either.
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| Posted by: elf23 at July 12, 2005, 11:06 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores |
tonight in a 2/4 limit game I had AcKd in the CO . UTG limp, MP raise, I reraise, limper and raiser call. Flop comes Ad6c4c. Perfect flop if I can get action!
UTG bets, MP calls, I reraise, everyone calls.
Turn comes As. UTG bets, MP calls (WTF?); I reraise, UTG 3 bets (oh shit!) MP folds. I think. Could he really have called 2 bets back to him with 66 or 44? or does he have A and a smaller kicker? Still chasing a flush? I cap out of spite.
Thank the good lord jeebus the river brings a beautiful king. Limper had 66. Check, Bet, Call. Serves him right for calling a 3 bet with 66 and only 2 other people in. Raiser had A3 for backdoor str8.
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| Posted by: IceNine at July 12, 2005, 10:20 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: right right i fucked it up royally. everyone come play at my table and you can push me off of kings full of aces.
from some blog i found a link to on 2+2:
"Ok I got carried away a little. My suckout. It went down like this. 6 players left, I was UTG with Barry in the BB. I found AK of diamonds and raised right away (limit!); I guess the limit was 100-200 at that time. Everybody folded (Garry Bush had a very bad tournament, he was card dead the whole time) and Barry called. Flop came down K-7-3, one diamond. Perfect I thought. Barry checked, I bet, pretty sure to take it down right there. Well, Barry raised me! Honestly I gave no credit to that raise, I watched him changing gears to perfection before and thought he was trying to outplay me. I re-raised. He re-popped it to 4 bets and I still gave him no credit. Wouldn't I do the very same? (Well actually not until I play 100-200 cash game or higher). The turn was an ace and I almost feared to get no more acti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elf23 at July 12, 2005, 10:01 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | right right i fucked it up royally. everyone come play at my table and you can push me off of kings full of aces.
i think i just need to stick to limit for now. switching back and forth seems a negative EV prospect, and i actually feel like I'm starting to understand limit a bit.
I'll fill my NL cravings with SnGs where all-ins don't scare me as much.
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at July 12, 2005, 9:01 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | IceNine wrote: bet your ass on that flop. if he has AA or AK, tough luck, that's poker.
There is no way a good opponent with AA or AK lets the flop come so cheaply when you've min-raised him preflop- if you made it 5 to go, and get raised to 10, and you hold AA or AK, what do you do? I raise the pot preflop, personally. I'd bet he puts you on JJ, TT or something like that, and is taking the pot away or overbetting with a weak ace or something.
to me his call screams "i smell weakness and am going to push the turn if he checks it to me" and/or "i have three aces, i hope he calls this huge overbet i'm about to make"
I call without hesitation, every single time.
Same here! I don't like your line one bit. I go Yeti crazy with this flop.
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| Posted by: IceNine at July 12, 2005, 1:26 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | bet your ass on that flop. if he has AA or AK, tough luck, that's poker.
There is no way a good opponent with AA or AK lets the flop come so cheaply when you've min-raised him preflop- if you made it 5 to go, and get raised to 10, and you hold AA or AK, what do you do? I raise the pot preflop, personally. I'd bet he puts you on JJ, TT or something like that, and is taking the pot away or overbetting with a weak ace or something.
to me his call screams "i smell weakness and am going to push the turn if he checks it to me" and/or "i have three aces, i hope he calls this huge overbet i'm about to make"
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| Posted by: Jay at July 12, 2005, 11:25 am | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: in retrospect that sounds great, but it was the flop call that completely confused me. I reraised before the flop. I have any K or any A much less AA, AK, or KK and he is wayyyy behind. My reraise from the blind screams that I have one of those hands in blinking letters. I definitely let him grab the pressure point and put it to good use, but statistically speaking, he's raising preflop, calling a reraise and then calling a pot sized bet on the uber scary flop with AK much more often than QQ JJ or 10. I feel like if he would have showed AK I would have been congratulating myself on my good fold, so if it was a good fold there, it was a good fold here. But if it wasn't a good fold, then if he has AK I should just shrug and say sometimes that's what happens, even though AK is such a huge possibility and I have only one out against it?
Well, you said he was the best player at the table.. He may have had a good read on you as weak against a big bet.
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| Posted by: rmarrandino at July 12, 2005, 11:13 am | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | I know how you feel. Is it worth $150 on one hand? But, what are the odds that he has AA or AK?
There are a lot of guys here who might be able to read someone online, but I'm not one of them. However, I don't think I could throw that hand away. That's probably why I don't play a whole lot of NL ring games anymore.
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| Posted by: elf23 at July 11, 2005, 10:41 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | in retrospect that sounds great, but it was the flop call that completely confused me. I reraised before the flop. I have any K or any A much less AA, AK, or KK and he is wayyyy behind. My reraise from the blind screams that I have one of those hands in blinking letters. I definitely let him grab the pressure point and put it to good use, but statistically speaking, he's raising preflop, calling a reraise and then calling a pot sized bet on the uber scary flop with AK much more often than QQ JJ or 10. I feel like if he would have showed AK I would have been congratulating myself on my good fold, so if it was a good fold there, it was a good fold here. But if it wasn't a good fold, then if he has AK I should just shrug and say sometimes that's what happens, even though AK is such a huge possibility and I have only one out against it?
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| Posted by: daneq at July 11, 2005, 10:20 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | waayyy passive... boat hits, he shows strength... all in give him a tough decisoin, and if he folds u pick up 20 easy bucks, he calls u double up and then some...
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| Posted by: elf23 at July 11, 2005, 9:47 pm | | Topic: crazy flop, huge bet, what do you do? Forum: Bonus Whores | $100 NL game (don't even know why I was in this game, I've been playing 95% limit for the past 2 months and this is still over my comfort level money wise, but I had had a good rush earlier and decided to give it a shot for at least 1 buy in)
I had about $150 in the BB. Villain has about $175 on the button. A tricky and aggressive player, probably the best at the table.
I have KK. 2 limpers, a min raise, cold call, then the villain makes it $5 to go, I make it $10, all fold to villain, villain calls.
Flop comes AAK.
I bet $15, Villain calls. Turn is a blank. I check (that call just screams AK at me). Villain pushes all-in for like $150.
What do you do?
My thought process. It was certainly likely that Villain had AK or AA, in which case I was drawing dead. However, the huge show of brute strength didn't make any sense. If Villain has the nuts, why not just fire another pot sized bet out. Villain may have been trying to buy all the passive money ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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