| Posted by: wyldchyld at July 23, 2005, 7:59 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | mretrade wrote: ed209 wrote: pot odds aren't as important to learn thoroughly at small stakes, since you can make a lot more money from newbie's mistakes, plus at $2/4 and under online you should be making a ton of more money from bonuses (and rakeback if it matters) than you will from actual play, even if you are good.
the starting hand charts in Hilger's ITH are already pretty precise, perhaps even overly so. the 2+2 charts should be similar (make sense since ITH is heavily influenced by Sklansky and Malmuth's prior work) except SSHE arranges hands more by numerical category rather than each specific kind of holding. Small Stakes Hold Em is more of a collection of specific, individual concepts, each of which will sharpen your game, rather than a "walkthrough" type of book. it is virtually impossible NOT to find something in SSHE which will permanently change your skills for the better. you cannot say the same thing about WLLH.
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| Posted by: macman at July 22, 2005, 10:06 am | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Not to sound trite, but what is the difficulty in quickly making an estimate on pot odds vs. probabilities? There is a chart that gives you the pot odds for 1 and 2 cards to come. You should be able to quickly calculate, in your head, the ratio by looking at the amount you have to call/bet/raise vs. what is in the pot. With all due respect, if this is a struggle for you, frankly, poker may not be your game.
Clearly, there are other considerations for "advanced" play. Discounting/counterfeiting outs, implied odds, etc.. But if you can't comprehend what was written in the first paragraph, this is irrelevant anyway. If you can, getting a reasonable grasp of these "advanced" concepts isn't all that difficult. It isn't a perfect science in any event because there is always some assumptions that need to be made and you can't see your opponents cards. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at July 22, 2005, 7:05 am | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Grinder wrote: That HAS to be one of the silliest things I have ever heard on the BW forum. I HOPE you are kidding
I think in the grand context how I used the phrase (rather than the creative editing which you chose to isolate) was reasonably fair. there is ample discussion of pot odds in ITH where the OP's request to have a "better understanding" would not be significantly improved with another book. rather, there were probably other issues with his game where SSHE could improve upon in ways he was not aware of (and obviously we both agree on the recommendation of Sklansky/Miller et al). and I did also recommend King Yao should he really want a super mathematical approach to DIPO and whathot.
of course learning pot odds is important. but at 50c/$1 and $1/2 where a player makes as much as 5-10BB/100 just from bonuses, is it necessarily a top priority to become a thorough "expert" on the subject and push tiny edges that hard? again, ITH should have been sufficient and the OP probably ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Grinder at July 22, 2005, 4:40 am | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Small Stakes Hold Em by Sklansky, Malmuth and Mille - hands down.
Quote: pot odds aren't as important to learn thoroughly at small stakes
That HAS to be one of the silliest things I have ever heard on the BW forum. I HOPE you are kidding
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| Posted by: mretrade at July 21, 2005, 10:01 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | ed209 wrote: pot odds aren't as important to learn thoroughly at small stakes, since you can make a lot more money from newbie's mistakes, plus at $2/4 and under online you should be making a ton of more money from bonuses (and rakeback if it matters) than you will from actual play, even if you are good.
the starting hand charts in Hilger's ITH are already pretty precise, perhaps even overly so. the 2+2 charts should be similar (make sense since ITH is heavily influenced by Sklansky and Malmuth's prior work) except SSHE arranges hands more by numerical category rather than each specific kind of holding. Small Stakes Hold Em is more of a collection of specific, individual concepts, each of which will sharpen your game, rather than a "walkthrough" type of book. it is virtually impossible NOT to find something in SSHE which will permanently change your skills for the better. you cannot say the same thing about WLLH.
I hope you are able to pick up a copy today in person, as it is oft... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at July 21, 2005, 7:31 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | i've been reading small stakes holdem.ordered by mistake since i hardly ever play limit.but it does have some stuff that plays well at nl too.limit at 1/2 or higher might be ok,but at .25/.50 its just no foldem holdem,may the best cards win.guess i need to get an affiliate deal and get Doyles book.
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| Posted by: ed209 at July 21, 2005, 6:11 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | pot odds aren't as important to learn thoroughly at small stakes, since you can make a lot more money from newbie's mistakes, plus at $2/4 and under online you should be making a ton of more money from bonuses (and rakeback if it matters) than you will from actual play, even if you are good.
the starting hand charts in Hilger's ITH are already pretty precise, perhaps even overly so. the 2+2 charts should be similar (make sense since ITH is heavily influenced by Sklansky and Malmuth's prior work) except SSHE arranges hands more by numerical category rather than each specific kind of holding. Small Stakes Hold Em is more of a collection of specific, individual concepts, each of which will sharpen your game, rather than a "walkthrough" type of book. it is virtually impossible NOT to find something in SSHE which will permanently change your skills for the better. you cannot say the same thing about WLLH.
I hope you are able to pick up a copy today in person, as it is often hard to come by in... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mretrade at July 21, 2005, 5:57 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | wyldchyld wrote: Yes, SSHE focuses on limit play. Of course they define low limit as up to 6/12 (hah!).
After reading it, get ready to completely rethink what you thought you knew. And clean up the mess when your brain spills out on the floor. No one likes spilled brain
The one good thing about going on a bad run is it makes you more motivated to fix holes in your game.
I think I will go out tonight and get it. I was flipping through Lee Jones book yesturday and I didn't think it was good to listen on his advice on raising 88 in the mp. Doesn't Helmuth believe to cap with pocket pairs... heh. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: wyldchyld at July 21, 2005, 5:55 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Yes, SSHE focuses on limit play. Of course they define low limit as up to 6/12 (hah!).
After reading it, get ready to completely rethink what you thought you knew. And clean up the mess when your brain spills out on the floor. No one likes spilled brain | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mretrade at July 21, 2005, 5:51 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | ed209 wrote: Internet Texas Hold Em is already a pretty good start. rather than Winning Low Limit Hold Em, you're probably better off with Small Stakes Hold Em by Sklansky, Malmuth and Miller, in terms of more refined strategy. for a more mathematical approach to pot odds, you can also look into Weighing The Odds In Hold Em Poker by King Yao. but SSHE is probably the best overall value in the long term.
The Lee Jones book is more of a first-timer's manual, and I personally think the Hilger does a better job at that (even compared to the recent 3rd edition of WLLH).
I have read internet texas hold em in bits and pieces. I understand most of it but could use more work on pot odds. Using them aren't 2nd nature to me. Also Im looking for a less basic starting hands guide. Does SSHE focus specifically on limit play? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at July 21, 2005, 5:44 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Internet Texas Hold Em is already a pretty good start. rather than Winning Low Limit Hold Em, you're probably better off with Small Stakes Hold Em by Sklansky, Malmuth and Miller, in terms of more refined strategy. for a more mathematical approach to pot odds, you can also look into Weighing The Odds In Hold Em Poker by King Yao. but SSHE is probably the best overall value in the long term.
The Lee Jones book is more of a first-timer's manual, and I personally think the Hilger does a better job at that (even compared to the recent 3rd edition of WLLH). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mretrade at July 21, 2005, 5:28 pm | | Topic: Whats the best limit poker book to buy? Forum: Bonus Whores | I already have Hilgers book and I like it but I still want to learn more and perfect my limit poker game.
How about the Lee Jones book?
I am going out of town tommorow and I really could use some reading material on the plane.
I really need to fix some holes in my game.
Dealing with over aggressive players...
A better understanding of pot odds/implied pot odds.
Etc. | | Static Link |
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