| Posted by: Osric at July 28, 2005, 11:37 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | macman wrote: Every poker book I've read has something to offer, IMHO, Phil's is among a couple that has the least to offer. Worth reading? Yeah, but I believe they're all worth reading. Best first book? Not even close.
I personally would recommend a newb read Sklansky's Theory of Poker, Hold'em for Advanced Players (it really isn't all that advanced); Psychology of Poker and Gambling Theory. There are numerous Limit books, the one by Lee Jones is pretty good.
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| Posted by: elric at July 25, 2005, 11:11 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Leave Phils book in the thrownroom. That way when you run out of TP you have an emergency supply!
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| Posted by: maybedinero at July 25, 2005, 3:15 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I bought this book not for Hold 'Em but as an introduction to the lesser-known games that form part of the HORSE Dealer's Choice round at GamesGrid. The sections on Razz, Stud and Stud Hi/Lo have served me well so far... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at July 24, 2005, 12:30 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Phil's book is great for a beginner;after though you really need something else.It was a great start for me but afterwards it made me too aggressive sometimes and cost me money here and there.
I second the recommendations of Internet Texas Hold Em by Matther Hilger as well,and Small Stakes Hold 'Em by Skalansky,Malmuth,and Miller.Both were great books for both online and live play.
Quote: It is all good to be tight/agressive, but it takes a little experience to figure out when those pocket aces are worthless.
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| Posted by: macman at July 23, 2005, 5:24 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Every poker book I've read has something to offer, IMHO, Phil's is among a couple that has the least to offer. Worth reading? Yeah, but I believe they're all worth reading. Best first book? Not even close.
I personally would recommend a newb read Sklansky's Theory of Poker, Hold'em for Advanced Players (it really isn't all that advanced); Psychology of Poker and Gambling Theory. There are numerous Limit books, the one by Lee Jones is pretty good.
Off on a tangent now, it is not correct to say that NL is superior to Limit, what does that mean? But I have read numerous times from the pro's that they believe NL is more complex and requires an overall greater skill set to consistently win at. I personally agree. But if you're playing Limit and making money at it, who gives a shit? Hell, I'd play crazy8's and Old Maid if I could clear 10 grand a month at it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: NWCougar at July 23, 2005, 1:43 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | JPMcMoney wrote: ok, sounds like I have to see this one. What movie are you quoting?
JP
Anchorman
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 22, 2005, 2:26 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: I know what you're asking yourself, and the answer is yes, I have a nickname for my penis. It's called The Octagon, but I also nicknamed my testes. My left one is James Westfall and my right one is Dr. Kenneth Noisewater. You ladies play your cards right and you just might get to meet the whole gang.
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| Posted by: AceM at July 22, 2005, 1:54 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | elric wrote: The noobs need to learn Bill's Secret System... More TV poker less reading.
If you don't learn how to go all-in with style like Humberto, you are going to go broke playing online NL HoldEm. Style and confidnece is everything in Internet poker the cards are secondary.
You might try to learn a few chip tricks so you can intimidate your fellow cyber poker pros.
LOL I love it. Living in Vegas, I see these tools every day. Clueless about the cards but they can do all the tricks, and mull over every stupid decision...
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| Posted by: elric at July 21, 2005, 8:46 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | The noobs need to learn Bill's Secret System... More TV poker less reading.
If you don't learn how to go all-in with style like Humberto, you are going to go broke playing online NL HoldEm. Style and confidnece is everything in Internet poker the cards are secondary.
You might try to learn a few chip tricks so you can intimidate your fellow cyber poker pros.
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| Posted by: Jim Morrison at July 17, 2005, 12:48 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | kdogg007 wrote: Play poker like the pros is a great book and I would highly recommend it to any BEGINNER, I found it a great book with its rule like guidelines for the newbies. Beginners can follow these general rules while learning to get better as they play. Of course Hellmuth doesnt play like this becuase he is not a beginner.
Getting back on subject, I have to agree that Phil's book is a good book for newbies. I don't dislike Phil, actually I think he's pretty amusing. Plus he was the first person to congratulate me on my money finish in the WSOP so he gets points for that! I'm trying to teach this chick I'm seeing how to play poker and this is the book I'm probably going to have her read first. Then WLLH which I think is a great book for understanding poker. Advanced theory, Harrington, etc. are no good if you don't get WLLH. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: kdogg007 at July 17, 2005, 10:19 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Play poker like the pros is a great book and I would highly recommend it to any BEGINNER, I found it a great book with its rule like guidelines for the newbies. Beginners can follow these general rules while learning to get better as they play. Of course Hellmuth doesnt play like this becuase he is not a beginner. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AceM at July 17, 2005, 9:57 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | NWCougar wrote: "Phil's book does give some good advice for a new player."
How is jamming a pot pre-flop with pocket 7's good advice. He says that supertight is right then says to jam pots with 77,88,99. COme on where's the good in that?
Phil doesn't play 1/2 limit either....
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at July 17, 2005, 12:19 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: NWCougar wrote: tarheel1 wrote: wasn't there a thing where a guy was playung him pn UB and found out he was actually at a book signing in the guys town. The whold someone else playes under his alias at UB
A true product of the NC school system
Quote: "It is always better to lie than admit the truth, for it is our abilty to deceive that seperates us from the animals"
Folks in glass houses should separate themselves from the stone throwers.
your my hero Cha.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at July 17, 2005, 12:14 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | NWCougar wrote: tarheel1 wrote: wasn't there a thing where a guy was playung him pn UB and found out he was actually at a book signing in the guys town. The whold someone else playes under his alias at UB
A true product of the NC school system
Quote: "It is always better to lie than admit the truth, for it is our abilty to deceive that seperates us from the animals"
Folks in glass houses should separate themselves from the stone throwers.
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at July 17, 2005, 12:10 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | NWCougar wrote: tarheel1 wrote: wasn't there a thing where a guy was playung him pn UB and found out he was actually at a book signing in the guys town. The whold someone else playes under his alias at UB
A true product of the NC school system
lol I was born in Tacoma Wa. and Raised in Va. Majored in Biology not typing.
My father in law is from Poluse.
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| Posted by: NWCougar at July 17, 2005, 12:00 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | tarheel1 wrote: wasn't there a thing where a guy was playung him pn UB and found out he was actually at a book signing in the guys town. The whold someone else playes under his alias at UB
A true product of the NC school system
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at July 16, 2005, 11:24 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | TheFranchise wrote: f h l p wrote: i'd just like to remind everyone that, the fact remains..
he's better than anyone on this forum
He's got his clock cleaned by more than one amateur when he's playing low-limit. Maybe he wasn't trying, who knows. Still got his clock cleaned. He might be the greatest no-limit player alive. Limit player, eh.
wasn't there a thing where a guy was playung him pn UB and found out he was actually at a book signing in the guys town. The whold someone else playes under his alias at UB
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| Posted by: Jim Morrison at July 16, 2005, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: coloradoholdem wrote:
To me it is like comparing apples to oranges.
Obviously. I was just stirring the shit.
This is one of the more inane discussions ever.
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 14, 2005, 12:07 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: coloradoholdem wrote:
To me it is like comparing apples to oranges.
Obviously. I was just stirring the shit.
This is one of the more inane discussions ever.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at July 14, 2005, 12:04 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote:
To me it is like comparing apples to oranges.
Obviously. I was just stirring the shit.
This is one of the more inane discussions ever.
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 14, 2005, 11:57 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: What about pot limit? Where does it rank?
Well since you bring it up. Some have said it may be the most difficult of all 3. I don't know if I believe that - although there are many people who play it at Party that definately show it is their worst game.
To me it is like comparing apples to oranges. All 3 have a different skill set to be successful and very few are successful at all - atleast at a high level. Yes it may be possible for someone to run over the $25NL and $.50/$1 limit games at Party but that doesn't mean you are a pro at either does it??? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 13, 2005, 11:44 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | f h l p wrote: by risk i mean...u cant go Bankrupt at any moment in limit
far more popular? consider every single table being played, whether it's a crappy $3 buy-in amongst friends all the way up to the WSOP, theres more NL tables being played at any given time than limit i would guess, casinos arnt the only places where u can play cards
the entire reason why poker is popular is because there r shows on tv that have NL hold'em being played, and in this case, NL puts the pop in popularity
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| Posted by: f h l p at July 13, 2005, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | by risk i mean...u cant go Bankrupt at any moment in limit
far more popular? consider every single table being played, whether it's a crappy $3 buy-in amongst friends all the way up to the WSOP, theres more NL tables being played at any given time than limit i would guess, casinos arnt the only places where u can play cards
the entire reason why poker is popular is because there r shows on tv that have NL hold'em being played, and in this case, NL puts the pop in popularity | | Static Link |
| Posted by: IceNine at July 13, 2005, 4:25 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: ive played no limit around 99% of the time i play hold'em
NL is superior to limit, and i dont say that to try and be "cool" because i play no limit, anybody knows this is true
i must have missed the memo.
Quote: NL being more popular is a good point, but i think that it's more difficult to be a great player at a game where the risk is higher, obviously with greater risk comes greater return, but to master something that is extremely high risk is more difficult i think, which is why i think NL is superior to limit
A: limit is a far more popular game than NL (ring games)
B: There is more 'risk' at limit (higher varaince and bigger BR requirments)
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| Posted by: f h l p at July 13, 2005, 12:02 pm | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | | NL being more popular is a good point, but i think that it's more difficult to be a great player at a game where the risk is higher, obviously with greater risk comes greater return, but to master something that is extremely high risk is more difficult i think, which is why i think NL is superior to limit | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bb88 at July 13, 2005, 11:21 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | Hellmuth's book is the book I started out using, and I did OK. I never jammed with 7-7, 8-8 or 9-9, though for some reason. Maybe I intuitively knew that it wasn't good? Anyway, I played super-tight for a while, and made a very small amount at .10/.20, maybe about five dollar in a couple months. Then I got a couple more books, moved to .25/.50 and started winning.
It's not the worst book and will help pure beginner's out just fine. It's not complicated enough to make them scratch their head and wonder. If I happened to pick up Theory of Poker or SSH first, I surely would've been confused.
Plus it's got some pretty decent sections on NL and even a little Razz in there. Definately not the best but not as bad as most people like to make it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 13, 2005, 9:34 am | | Topic: Edit: Is Hellmuth's book good for beginners? Forum: Bonus Whores | f h l p wrote: ive played no limit around 99% of the time i play hold'em
NL is superior to limit, and i dont say that to try and be "cool" because i play no limit, anybody knows this is true
I beg to differ - they are just different games w/ NL being more popular at the moment. That is like saying HE is superior to Omaha because more people play it. | | Static Link |
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