| Posted by: slimmatic00 at October 4, 2005, 4:23 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | HPB wrote: Call me crazy, but I love having a habitual blind stealer to my immediate right. It has to be the ultra-aggressive, inexperienced, relentless type however. Otherwise, I will often just leave the table rather than get into pissing matches over who can better play the elusive seven-deuce offsuit.
When you get your blind stolen, you are only losing 0.5BB right? Well....in reality it's even less since you are only expected to win a modest % of the time playing 'any two cards'. Lets assume that psycho over there raises with any two, so you would win a healthy 50% of the time (assuming it's just you 2, which often it will be). That means that he's stealing 0.25BB. Fine, let him. Let him steal 10 of them for a heist of 2.5BB. Lets assume that we need to call 1 or 2 raises in there to hit a hand with which we can be aggressive and we miss. That takes us to 3-3.5BBor so. (Yes, in reality it's a little more since we need to consider the rake on future betting which will be split 5... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at September 30, 2005, 9:20 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | Jim Morrison wrote: BTW, in NL it's pointless to try and steal blinds.
Agreed... stacking pennies is doing you no good if you are bleeding dollars to win those pennies.
Quote: Don't Be Penny Wise and Dollar Foolish
Focus on winning everyones stack! Nothing else is acceptable.
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| Posted by: Jim Morrison at September 30, 2005, 5:35 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | jek187 wrote: This post will assume you play at sites that support PT/GT+.
Look at what your preflop raise % is.
Look at what hands you raise with 1st in from the button.
Take those hands, put them into PokerStove (www.pokerstove.com I think) and run them up against other hands to find out what hands are +EV against your range.
When you're in the SB, and someone raises from the button w/a similar preflop raise % as you, 3 bet with the above hands. Adjust as appropriate for their preflop raise %. This will take some practice, but will soon come naturally. An example:
Your preflop raise % is 10, a 5% open raises from the button. If you'd normally reraise AJo here, you'd certainly fold the AJo, and possibly AQo.
Similar comments apply in the BB, except you can call with some hands that aren't > 50% against the normal range, since you're getting 3.5-1 (assuming SB folds) to call. Still, you need to tread carefully around hands like KTo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at September 28, 2005, 9:54 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | Heres an example of a fifteen cent blind steal gone bad!
I let the guy to my right steal my blinds and raise me off of pots constantly allowing him to take my quarters for about 30 minutes as the table was tight and terrible... I get a good hand to play back at him getting all my quarters back and the some!
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Party Poker $25 NL HE (9 handed)
Preflop: HERO is BB with A, A.
7 folds.BlindStealer bets $0.65. HERO raises $1.75. BlindStealer calls $1.25.
Flop: 9, 8, A (2 players)
BlindStealer checks, Hero checks. <-----Faking like I have no Ace. Not very tricky but best I can do.
Turn: K (2 players)
BlindStealer bets $2. Hero raises $6. BlindStealer calls $4. <---- Raise RED ALERT!
River: 3 (2 players)
BlindStealer checks, Hero raises $29.12 (All-In). <-----Trying to make it look like I want to buy the pot.
Blind Stealer Calls <----- Reel him... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jek187 at August 14, 2005, 3:04 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | This post will assume you play at sites that support PT/GT+.
Look at what your preflop raise % is.
Look at what hands you raise with 1st in from the button.
Take those hands, put them into PokerStove (www.pokerstove.com I think) and run them up against other hands to find out what hands are +EV against your range.
When you're in the SB, and someone raises from the button w/a similar preflop raise % as you, 3 bet with the above hands. Adjust as appropriate for their preflop raise %. This will take some practice, but will soon come naturally. An example:
Your preflop raise % is 10, a 5% open raises from the button. If you'd normally reraise AJo here, you'd certainly fold the AJo, and possibly AQo.
Similar comments apply in the BB, except you can call with some hands that aren't > 50% against the normal range, since you're getting 3.5-1 (assuming SB folds) to call. Still, you need to tread carefully around hands like KTo.
When ope... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at August 13, 2005, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | Z... That probably explains why most of us don't give the blind steal much consdieration. We are sitting at the table full of drunk party maniacs who think its an ALL-IN fest. Nevermind protecting your blind because at this table you will need to commit your whole stack to do it.
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| Posted by: zm_dawg at August 13, 2005, 9:53 am | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | I don't know if I have much to add, just play accordingly. But what are you doing sitting at a table where it is constantly being folded around to the button? If this happens, i'd rather get up then form a crazy strategy to stop the blind stealing?
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| Posted by: HPB at August 11, 2005, 5:53 am | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | Call me crazy, but I love having a habitual blind stealer to my immediate right. It has to be the ultra-aggressive, inexperienced, relentless type however. Otherwise, I will often just leave the table rather than get into pissing matches over who can better play the elusive seven-deuce offsuit.
When you get your blind stolen, you are only losing 0.5BB right? Well....in reality it's even less since you are only expected to win a modest % of the time playing 'any two cards'. Lets assume that psycho over there raises with any two, so you would win a healthy 50% of the time (assuming it's just you 2, which often it will be). That means that he's stealing 0.25BB. Fine, let him. Let him steal 10 of them for a heist of 2.5BB. Lets assume that we need to call 1 or 2 raises in there to hit a hand with which we can be aggressive and we miss. That takes us to 3-3.5BBor so. (Yes, in reality it's a little more since we need to consider the rake on future betting which will be split 50-50 if we win 50% ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at August 11, 2005, 5:26 am | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | Sklanskys stuff won't help you much when playing online low limit poker. This is not the Bellagio high stakes poker room.
As a Bonus Whore I accept the fact that most small stakes online players are incapable of advanced plays and I allow them to rape me of my blinds liberally. I also feel that the bonus I am playing for helps offset this minor annoyance.
That said I mostly play No Limit and defending your blind without a playable hand is futile. I will however play any 2 for a minimum raise with little or no possibility of a re-raise. I do not like to defend with garbage when I am being raised 4xBB or more.
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| Posted by: J-Dogg at August 11, 2005, 12:16 am | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | At those limits, it's not worth it to try these things in general. One of two things will happen:
1. You opponent will not be capable of advanced play and never fold, or would have raised you with a dominating hand.
2. Your opponent is indeed capable of advanced play and you now have an epic battle over what started out as 0.75 BB's
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| Posted by: smoke1j at August 10, 2005, 10:41 pm | | Topic: Blind Battles and blind steals (Low limit holdem) Forum: Bonus Whores | I would like to get everyones take on hand strategys for both blind steals and protecting your hands against blind steals. I have mixed feeling on playing hands in these situations. Here are the strategys I have come up with with for blind steals:
1. In late position no callers raise with any two 10 or higher, any pair with the exception of 22,33 and Ax
2. In small blind no callers raise with strong suited hands call with any two 10 or higher offsuit, any pair and Ax with the intentions of raising no matter what comes on the flop( I find this is a way of trying to steal the blind without the big blind feeling like his blind got stolen)
And when protecting your hand against steals I have little idea of what to play. However I rarely protect my small blind ( I hate being outta poistion plus I am not as obligated as big blind). In the big blind though I really wanna call anyone raising me from the button with no callers unless I have complete junk.
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