| Posted by: RobDoral at October 8, 2005, 8:04 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | I've read a ton of books, bought several of them and I'd agree with some of the other posters that Lee Jone's Winning Low-Limit Hold'em or Small Stakes Hold 'em: Winning Big With Expert Play by Miller are best for limit games (once you've learned the basics through playing).
There's not a ton of variation in any of the starting hand requirements in ANY of the how to play limit books but both Jones and Miller also get into optimum betting strategies. For example, you're in the blind, there's a late position raise preflop and you hit something big, but vulnerable on the flop (e.g. bottom two pair). Both Jones and Miller explain why it's not always best to lead out but let the orginal raiser bet and then checkraise him to make it two bets to the other limpers. Playing good cards is most of the battle (and folding sucker hands like AJo behind a raise) but knowing how to bet and why and when to bet is also crucial. I got Hilger's book for free but by the time I went through it it was all old news ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Morrison at October 7, 2005, 11:08 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | elric wrote: FeelingLucky wrote: I still strongly recommend SSHE, I just have to fix whatever I broke by reading it
You obviously are doing too much reading and not watching enough poker on TV. I like watching Celebrity poker as the plays made there are strong and its impossible to learn Celebrity poker secrets as there are no books on how to play poker like a Celebrity.
My second choice would be the show that has comedians vs. poker pros. You will not find the comedian poker moves published anywhere and need to study these shows religously to learn how to play power suckout poker.
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| Posted by: elric at October 7, 2005, 11:03 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: I still strongly recommend SSHE, I just have to fix whatever I broke by reading it
You obviously are doing too much reading and not watching enough poker on TV. I like watching Celebrity poker as the plays made there are strong and its impossible to learn Celebrity poker secrets as there are no books on how to play poker like a Celebrity.
My second choice would be the show that has comedians vs. poker pros. You will not find the comedian poker moves published anywhere and need to study these shows religously to learn how to play power suckout poker.
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| Posted by: AceM at September 1, 2005, 4:38 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jim Morrison wrote: Poker For Dummies is good. I'm waiting for the new edition, Poker For Stupid Cunts Who Don't Use Search. n00b strike team in full force
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| Posted by: IceboxCharlie at August 31, 2005, 3:51 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | i read Antlers in the Tree by Who Goosedamoose and Under The Bleachers by Seymour Butts,but ya know it didnt help my game at all.I did and have watched a ton of poker on TV and now ya know if it wasnt for luck i'd win every nite........
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| Posted by: freakin at August 18, 2005, 2:31 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: freakin wrote: Once you're comfortable, I do not think there is a finer book for low limit internet hold'em than Miller's Small Stakes Hold'em. Some of the concepts are rather counter-intuitive, and you will likely go through a period of playing too loose-agressive (maybe dumping too many chips) but you need to adjust your game from a beginner's style of play if you hope to be a decent winning player.
Been there, done that. Well, actually "Am there, doing that"...
I picked up lots of useful stuff from SSHE, but goddamn it my winnings have been decreasing lately
If anyone has any type of advice (or ridicule) that can help me out of this hole I've dug for myself, I'd be more than happy to take it! Am slowing down on the playing for now, will read a couple of more books, and start digging through my PT stats. Will probably have to post them too, because I don't really know what conclusions to draw like some of you guys do.
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| Posted by: J-Dogg at August 18, 2005, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Aggressive play = bigger swings.
Just keep playing. If your PT stats are in the right range for your style of play, you'll see the money. I have to remind myself this every time I get on a Party skin. I swear I drop $100 immediately before I get anywhere, every time. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BCsparky at August 18, 2005, 11:30 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote:
If anyone has any type of advice (or ridicule) that can help me out of this hole I've dug for myself, I'd be more than happy to take it!
Here's a totally off the wall concept.
Trying taking a break for a couple of days and don't go near the computer or gambling.
WHAT?
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at August 18, 2005, 10:13 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | freakin wrote: Once you're comfortable, I do not think there is a finer book for low limit internet hold'em than Miller's Small Stakes Hold'em. Some of the concepts are rather counter-intuitive, and you will likely go through a period of playing too loose-agressive (maybe dumping too many chips) but you need to adjust your game from a beginner's style of play if you hope to be a decent winning player.
Been there, done that. Well, actually "Am there, doing that"...
I picked up lots of useful stuff from SSHE, but goddamn it my winnings have been decreasing lately
If anyone has any type of advice (or ridicule) that can help me out of this hole I've dug for myself, I'd be more than happy to take it! Am slowing down on the playing for now, will read a couple of more books, and start digging through my PT stats. Will probably have to post them too, because I don't really know what conclusions to draw like some of you guys do.
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| Posted by: freakin at August 18, 2005, 7:55 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | I would start with Ed Miller's new book, Getting Started in Hold'em.
Jones' book will keep you from losing money, but it will program a weak/tight philosphy in your head that is fundamentally wrong.
You'll probably find GSIH and Jones' book to be rather elementary if you've been playing for 7 or 8 months, but there is still some solid foundation you need to get down.
Once you're comfortable, I do not think there is a finer book for low limit internet hold'em than Miller's Small Stakes Hold'em. Some of the concepts are rather counter-intuitive, and you will likely go through a period of playing too loose-agressive (maybe dumping too many chips) but you need to adjust your game from a beginner's style of play if you hope to be a decent winning player.
You can order the books from Conjelco (through twoplustwo) with Neteller, which is an added benefit.
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| Posted by: nadical at August 17, 2005, 10:58 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | | i know this isnt an option but i just bought greensteins book ace on the river and thought it was one of the best books ive read out of like 10. It doesnt have that much poker content on strategies but has a ton of stuff on the poker lifestyle and gambling in general. I also read small stakes holem by miller and thought that was the best strategy book ive read and havent read hilgers book yet. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: pokahpro at August 12, 2005, 12:07 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | elric wrote: "There's nothing you can learn from a book that you can't learn from TV more quickly." --- Harry Wormwood
WPT, WSOP, Tilt, Celebrity Poker, etc.
Quit wasting money on books.
Not sure if you are serious or not but there is something to be said for this. The other best pieces of advice I ever picked up were, learn different games from time to time and play some tourneys (SnG, MTT, whatever).
Gets you thinking about different situations and game dynamics you might not otherwise see all that often.
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at August 11, 2005, 4:59 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | mattspoker wrote: Maybe Gonzo could link himself to a bookseller from the mainpage with a Bwhores recommended booklist. As often as this question gets asked, Im sure some people go out and buy the books. Might as well have some book reviews and a straw poll on books and see if you can rake in more $.
I put this as a suggestion on the BW website forum. gave you the credit though
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| Posted by: hackermike at August 11, 2005, 9:49 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | | i havent read it but em miller came out with a new beginner book recently. you may want to read that and then jump into his other book (i think it is SSHE, but im not sure. its RED, i do know that). i thought the red book (so lame ) was pretty intense the first time i ead it, but the next couple times through it was much moe managable. i read jone's book and liked it, altough i do think it is too weak tight. and if you have the points, buy a book. i would get the ed miller book. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: elric at August 10, 2005, 8:25 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | "There's nothing you can learn from a book that you can't learn from TV more quickly." --- Harry Wormwood
WPT, WSOP, Tilt, Celebrity Poker, etc.
Quit wasting money on books.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at August 10, 2005, 10:14 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Maybe Gonzo could link himself to a bookseller from the mainpage with a Bwhores recommended booklist. As often as this question gets asked, Im sure some people go out and buy the books. Might as well have some book reviews and a straw poll on books and see if you can rake in more $.
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| Posted by: blosky2001 at August 10, 2005, 12:26 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | For those of you who like Hilger's book.
I've read Harrington's, Helmuth's (sucked); small stakes hold em, Sklansky's advanced hold em, and both Super Systems. How would you compare Hilger's book to these. Would I still get something out of it after reading all of the others. I don't want to waste my money if it covers the same things. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Chickenfly69 at August 8, 2005, 11:01 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | I've read Theory of poker, advanced holdem poker, pot limit and no limit big bet poker, super system I & II, and am just finishing Harrington on Holdem.
You pretty much get the same method in most of the book except for Brunson's super system which tells you to raise a lot of ur draws, but the other books just preach solid play. Harrington's book has been the best IMHO because of the plethora of practice problems and the different ways that he presents hands and pot odds. Since reading Harrington's book I have been much more aware of things going on at the table, even while 4 tabling. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Clemon at August 8, 2005, 10:41 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Yeah, another vote for Hilger, here.
Excellent information, superb format, and there's plenty of it, too. Seems every 2+2 book I buy uses ENORMOUS TYPE and
lots
of
whitespace
to hide the fact that they're basically pamphlets which have been spread over 400 pages to justify the cover price. ITH has the opposite problem - there's almost too much information there. Actually, that's not really a problem, is it?
Plus, I met (read: harrassed) Hilger at the WSOP. He was a bloody nice chap, as we say over here. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at August 8, 2005, 6:22 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: I dont think Hilger is much of a help to a new player.
I have to HIGHLY disagree with you.Matt's book turned my game around two fold,and reading it a third time is really starting to make more sense to me.His hand examples and advice,as well as his ITH forum is huge for any player looking to turn semi-pro.Small Stakes Hold Em is great,and I'm reading through Hold Em for Advanced Players right now.
Quote: Especially the , "you can make a couple extra hundred a month off promotions" line he puts in.
Promotions are the only thing keeping me in the gray right now.I would be ahead HUGE if you took away even half the suckouts I've had to deal with in the past month alone.Promotions are how you build your bankroll(along with solid play and rakeback of course). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: J-Dogg at August 7, 2005, 4:02 am | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | HEPFAP is the book I started with along with Theory of Poker. I wouldn't recommend those as starting books. The only reason I read them was not because I was actually playing at the time but I was a math and physics major.
Start with something simpler and then when you feel like you are starting to get it, read HEPFAP. I played B&M for a year before I really started having those 'AHA' moments over the more complex things in that book. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Grinder at August 6, 2005, 3:07 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones
HOWEVER - you will own both sooner or later - I would go online to Amazon and get Millers Small Stakes Hold'm
BUT - The Jones Book is an excellent place to start AS LONG as you know you will have 10 to 15 books if you really like the game. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: HeelHo at August 6, 2005, 1:52 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | best place for poker poooks....................Barnes and Noble. At least 50 titles on the shelves. They have chairs, coffee, ac, hot young chicks looking for cliffs notes, and even some sexy employees. grab a stack, read a lot, make a mess, and leave. you dont have to rely on the stars store.
and dont diss jones' book. its been the best initial improve your game book out there. A lot of the thoughts that have to flash thru your mind at warp speed start in that book. HE isnt as wild as the 90s, but its still very relevant to becoming a better player. I dont think Hilger is much of a help to a new player. Especially the , "you can make a couple extra hundred a month off promotions" line he puts in.
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| Posted by: ed209 at August 6, 2005, 12:57 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | "Internet Texas Hold Em" by Matthew Hilger is better than "Winning Low Limit Hold Em", if you already kind of know what you're doing.
read ITH, then SSHE and with experience you should be able to handle online limits up to $2/4 and $3/6. you won't need HEPFAP for a while, though of course there's no drawback in reading it early if you can understand the concepts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at August 6, 2005, 12:15 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | You only have those two to choose from?
I just bought HEPFAP myself, but haven't read it yet. I have read SSHE (Small Stakes Hold'em) though, which I assume would be a better book to start with. It's not in any way basic or newbie material, and there are tons of good tips there to help your game.
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| Posted by: mtxed at August 6, 2005, 12:10 pm | | Topic: Which poker book should I get? Forum: Bonus Whores | I just started playing poker in December last year and I still consider myself a newbie. I make profit when I play most of the time (playing premium hands most of the time) but I feel that I make dumb mistakes here and there that take away a fair chunk of my profit. I also don't know how to analyze players and sometimes when I get raised or reraised, I always think that the player doesn't have a certain card but they end up having it (i.e. 10QKspades on flop, I have AsKd, I bet and bet hoping to hit royal on turn or river but opponent ends up having 9sJs :\). Ive never read a book before so which one should I get using PokerStars FPP points?
Oh yeah, I play limit 1/2 up to 5/10..
Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones
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Hold'em for Advanced Players by Sklansky and Malmuth
Don't want to get both because I hear they are different books (in a way) but cover the same material? | | Static Link |
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