| Posted by: BadBeatBill at October 17, 2005, 10:47 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | I was thinking about this at a home game once...I had been playing very aggressive but tricky all night, and picked up 2 8 suited, and said "Well, 2 8 is horrible, but it's suited, come on, lots of 2's, 8's, and hearts!". And the flop totally missed me but I just looked a little stunned and said, "I'll fire off a bluff anyway", and they all folded. Of course someone asked to see and I showed them the 2 8 of hearts.
Now the way I see it is this...if you IGNORE what I say, you're in the same position as had I not said anything. But you can use it as a tell, so it seems pretty negative dollars to talk about your hand a lot. I know a guy who would talk about his hand and rarely, if ever lie about it, if he was betting/calling. I think he did this so that his opponents would fold if he had them beat and they wouldn't draw out on them. I wonder how much this has cost him over the months...
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at October 13, 2005, 7:28 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote: tornan wrote:
I dont use it as a tool, but sometimes for different reasons, I just say WTF and spill it out...sometimes im pissed because all my big hands are getting stomped and I dont give a shit, other times i've had a little drink, feel cocky and like to run my mouth, and even other times I just like to see if it has a positive effect for me or not and if it is a viable strategy.
If you are doing dumb things like this because you are pissed, "don't give a shit" or whatever, then that is a HUGE leak in your game. Get yourself under control, and stop drinking while you play.
Unless, of course, your goal is actually to give all your money away. In which case, I'd appreciate knowing what table you are at so I can cash in too.
Agreed whole heartedly! Put the beer down or back away from the table. ALso, DON'T be THAT guy!
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| Posted by: dokoko at October 9, 2005, 6:56 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: I also hate when people talk about what they mucked though, which is fairly common at some places it seems. Saying "Damn, I would have flopped a flush" when the flop comes gives potentially valuable information to those still in the hand, as one or more of them may be drawing to the flush and their odds are significantly affected by a missing 2 cards of their suit. People that are out of the hand also don't have much reason to lie about what they had, so this type of info seems to be more reliable (which just makes it worse).
Talking about your hand while you are still active might be acceptable (I don't like it though and wouldn't do it myself).
Giving away information about an ongoing hand once you have folded (as outlined by Lucky) is an obvious break of rules. I've never encountered this behaviour (having played nearly 100k hands) but I would report anyone talking about the cards he folded before the hand is over. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at October 9, 2005, 6:44 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | I suppose it depends on the poker site (most of them are slow to enforce any kind of rules regarding ettiquette) but telling an opponent your exact hand during the hand IS against the rules in major tournaments and can get you fined or ejected from the tournament.
What's not against the rules (usually) is telling your opponent that you have a monster hand and he should fold. But if you do have a monster I think it's kind of stupid to tell someone about it.
In ring games, if it's not against a site's rules, it should be. It is NOT proper poker ettiquette (and even trying to verbally intimidate an opponent is questionable). And crying about folding a hand that would have HIT a monster while the hand is being played fits into this category. If you fold a 72 and the flop comes 222, don't go saying damn, I folded a 2 while players are still in the pot.
But of course there are plenty of people on poker sites or forums that are going to verbally abuse people and break whatever r... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Osric at October 9, 2005, 6:25 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | tornan wrote:
I dont use it as a tool, but sometimes for different reasons, I just say WTF and spill it out...sometimes im pissed because all my big hands are getting stomped and I dont give a shit, other times i've had a little drink, feel cocky and like to run my mouth, and even other times I just like to see if it has a positive effect for me or not and if it is a viable strategy.
If you are doing dumb things like this because you are pissed, "don't give a shit" or whatever, then that is a HUGE leak in your game. Get yourself under control, and stop drinking while you play.
Unless, of course, your goal is actually to give all your money away. In which case, I'd appreciate knowing what table you are at so I can cash in too. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: tassie at October 9, 2005, 4:44 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | | If you are talking B+M cardrooms I believe the degree to which you can talk about your hand varies depending on what side of the Atlantic you are on. In the UK its my understanding that you cant talk about your cards at all. Whereas in the US, although I havn't been there yet, I think it is more acceptable. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Morrison at October 9, 2005, 3:31 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | tornan wrote: i know this is probaby the wrong forum but this is where you hang out.
CAN YOU or CAN YOU NOT tell an opponent at a table what cards you are holding...while you are STILL in the hand????
Whether you tell the truth or not? While you are in the hand...you can say what you want about your cards or hand RIGHT?
or am i Wrong?
please help
Two things. One this is not where people hang out, that's Off Topic where every post is valuable and not boring shit like here.
Second, depends on the site/cardroom/home. Everywhere has different rules on it as you can see from the responses here. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at October 9, 2005, 3:25 am | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | I would stay away completely from mentioning a specific hand, whether it is a lie or not. My reasoning is that you are giving away information that gives people an advantage, while other people (those who folded) cannot benefit from it.
So if you are first to act preflop and say "I have pocket aces" before you act, I don't think that would give an unfair advantage to anyone (whether they believe you or not). If you are one off the button and say the same thing after 5 people have limped in - that would be much worse.
Personally I would never mention my hand (even in circumstances such as the first example), and I think it is against the terms and conditions of many sites - even though it is probably based on people reporting "unsuitable" behaviour and them looking into it. The rules might not be clear cut.
For banter and table talk and psychology, I think it suffices to say "I have a monster" or "Wow, I really really like my hand right now" rather than to say "I have QJ of clu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: duggie53 at October 8, 2005, 11:23 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | | Apparently in the WSOP it's against the rules to announce your hand. Interestingly tho, it's not against the rules to lie about the hand you have. Giving further credence to the maxim not to believe everything you hear at a poker table. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thehip41 at October 8, 2005, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | tornan wrote: i know this is probaby the wrong forum but this is where you hang out.
CAN YOU or CAN YOU NOT tell an opponent at a table what cards you are holding...while you are STILL in the hand????
Whether you tell the truth or not? While you are in the hand...you can say what you want about your cards or hand RIGHT?
or am i Wrong?
please help
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| Posted by: AJ at October 8, 2005, 9:51 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | I don't know if it's officially against the rules or not. I believe it is. I know I say a guy on the WPT try to get another guy in trouble for it.
Regardless, however, I really couldn't care less if people talk about their hands. I have a rule that I don't believe anything I hear at a poker table (which doesn't mean I assume people are always lying, however.) I simply ignore such banter. When someone claims to have a hand, I know that sometimes they might have reason to tell the truth and sometimes they will have reason to lie. So I assume neither. Don't care. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: tornan at October 8, 2005, 9:31 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | i appreciate the quick reply...while i am open to restructuring some of my practices...I have done an internet search on the topic and it is clearly up for debate. Some are extremely against the practice and some think its a huge part of the "psychology" of the game. Party Poker rules of etiquett state:
Do not comment to the table during a hand on cards you have folded.
This i totally understand and comply with. But if you have AA and say "Hey i got AA here if that helps your decision making" Is that wrong or unethical? Now you could be lying or telling the truth. They have the right to turn off chat too (online that is). I'm just up in the air about it. I dont use it as a tool, but sometimes for different reasons, I just say WTF and spill it out...sometimes im pissed because all my big hands are getting stomped and I dont give a shit, other times i've had a little drink, feel cocky and like to run my mouth, and even other times I just like to see if it has a positive effect for m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: shebang at October 8, 2005, 9:09 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | It is considered not ethical to tell your hand during play. Some sites even say so in their T&C and prohibit this practice(maybe all sites do, i dunno. i don't read all the wording and just click "I Accept" when downloading their sw). Personally, i find it very irritating and manipulative. I pretend i don't pay any attention to it but it has a subliminal effect and i keep wondering whether he's telling the truth or not (most often it is a lie). People often do it in freerolls, early on. They go all in and then say to the table "i have to leave, my hand is 8-3 off". When you mention that they shouldn't discuss their hand during play, they will retort with "it's only a freeroll". Well, maybe so, but there can be nice money in some of those freerolls.
If a person likes to do this stuff repeatedly, i either turn chat off or move to another table fairly soon and will also avoid him subsequently. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: tornan at October 8, 2005, 8:14 pm | | Topic: Boys I need your help? TABLE TALK Forum: Bonus Whores | i know this is probaby the wrong forum but this is where you hang out.
CAN YOU or CAN YOU NOT tell an opponent at a table what cards you are holding...while you are STILL in the hand????
Whether you tell the truth or not? While you are in the hand...you can say what you want about your cards or hand RIGHT?
or am i Wrong?
please help | | Static Link |
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