| Posted by: HeelHo at October 18, 2005, 11:25 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote: NL is where it's at!
Fucking rock hearted motherfuckers.
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at October 18, 2005, 6:32 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | NL is where it's at!
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| Posted by: HeelHo at October 18, 2005, 5:41 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Iwwww, who wants to play 6max limit when you can do it NL?
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at October 18, 2005, 12:42 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: The trick to short handed is playing late position properly and defending your blinds. Knowing when to call a raise and when to 3 bet a raise from the blinds. A hand like KTos on the big blind is callable when raised from a late position but not worthy of 3 bet defense. A hand like KQos is worthy of a 3 bet for defense. A hand like QTs is raiseable from late position for blind stealing purposes. The more you attack the blinds and defend aggressively the with those marginal good hands the more you'll get paid for your premium hands. The biggest mistake people make in short handed is getting too loose in their starting hand requirements. Ace, rag is still a garbage hand.
The most important issue about whether to use the 3 bet defense is if you are in the SB or BB. If you are in the SB, your 3 bet is putting pressure on the big blind...which is good. You are not getting anyone out of a pot by 3 betting from the BB. So be more apt to do so from SB.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at October 16, 2005, 10:06 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | nm
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| Posted by: Ben_Knifed at October 14, 2005, 12:53 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | OK, the party skins split has convinced my that I need to learn how to play 6max if I want to continue to whore them. I should have done this a while ago but I figure I either need to learn how to play NL or short and I have chosen short for now. I hope to be able to go back to the cryptos with 6max as well.
I've done some research about the range of hands I should be raising in 1st/2nd position and when it's OK to limp after 2 limpers etc. But I haven't found anything on 3-betting pre-flop. So, when is it moslty always appropriate to 3-bet pre-flop? By always, I don't mean 100% but in general. I'm looking for guidelines that can be adjusted to maniacs, tight players and anon.
For instance, if 1st pos. folds, 2nd raises, CO folds and I'm on the button with wired 10s, is this always a 3-bet? What about 9s same situation?. Fold 8s?
What about with AKo, always 3-bet? What do you do with AQs? I fold it most of the time in full ring without 2 cold callers already in. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: wyldchyld at July 23, 2005, 7:50 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | AceM wrote: Jim Morrison wrote: zm_dawg wrote: How far do you take AK or a hand alike when your getting checkraised on the flop and being bet at on the turn.
Not far at all, the flop has missed you and your opponent has shown strength. Let it go.
If I raised preflop I'm three betting his ass if he checkraises me, then I'm getting two free cards most of the time. You can't let guys defend their blinds without paying for it.... you raised, they know you have high cards... if you really have a big pair (you have 3 bet with nothin, you have to have a big pair ) which of course they dont know, they are going to slow down because you might have an overpair to their pair of 7s. It's superagressive, but it's always worked for me to keep guys from checkraising me. I also recommended to z to point out the guys who call all the way down with any piece of the flop and don't try that shit on them.... they pay you off too easily when you actually hit your hand. Also he knows ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ThuNd3r at July 22, 2005, 7:41 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | | The trick to short handed is playing late position properly and defending your blinds. Knowing when to call a raise and when to 3 bet a raise from the blinds. A hand like KTos on the big blind is callable when raised from a late position but not worthy of 3 bet defense. A hand like KQos is worthy of a 3 bet for defense. A hand like QTs is raiseable from late position for blind stealing purposes. The more you attack the blinds and defend aggressively the with those marginal good hands the more you'll get paid for your premium hands. The biggest mistake people make in short handed is getting too loose in their starting hand requirements. Ace, rag is still a garbage hand. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AceM at July 21, 2005, 9:58 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jim Morrison wrote: zm_dawg wrote: How far do you take AK or a hand alike when your getting checkraised on the flop and being bet at on the turn.
Not far at all, the flop has missed you and your opponent has shown strength. Let it go.
If I raised preflop I'm three betting his ass if he checkraises me, then I'm getting two free cards most of the time. You can't let guys defend their blinds without paying for it.... you raised, they know you have high cards... if you really have a big pair (you have 3 bet with nothin, you have to have a big pair ) which of course they dont know, they are going to slow down because you might have an overpair to their pair of 7s. It's superagressive, but it's always worked for me to keep guys from checkraising me. I also recommended to z to point out the guys who call all the way down with any piece of the flop and don't try that shit on them.... they pay you off too easily when you actually hit your hand. Also he knows a total rock you wou... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Morrison at July 21, 2005, 3:58 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | zm_dawg wrote: How far do you take AK or a hand alike when your getting checkraised on the flop and being bet at on the turn.
Not far at all, the flop has missed you and your opponent has shown strength. Let it go. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zm_dawg at July 20, 2005, 8:28 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | | i think this is where i'm going to try to be playing now since I'm a professional myself lol. I haven't played 6max really anywhere besides crypto and played some at party last night. I took off like $280 in 1 real hour 4xx hands. This morning I lost about $100 back in an hour....there's my sample about 1k hands. Am I pro like you dan? I'm starting at 3/6, thus far I've found that me raising and getting raised to shit on rag flops is annoying. How far do you take AK or a hand alike when your getting checkraised on the flop and being bet at on the turn. I need to really figure this out, because i'm zm_dawg and I don't hit flops. I guess the best thing and +EV move is to just check and call everyhand | | Static Link |
| Posted by: HajiShirazu at July 18, 2005, 8:26 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | All the advice here is pretty good, but I think the one thing that is vastly overlooked in 6 max is table selection. It only takes one or two 50/5 call down with any pair and ace high limp on the button guys to make a game a super cash machine. On the other hand, a couple of loose decent aggressives on your left can make even the softest table a horrible game.
For me the real key in finding a good game is the post flop play. The best games are both loose pre and passive after the flop, of course, but these tables aren't all that easy to find unless you play low limit party sh. What I have found is that tables where people play somewhat tight before the flop but then play passive and weak after, that is, not reading hands well, missing value bets, not putting pressure on the PFR on the rag flops, not betting without a big hand so you can make laydowns against them, these are the tables where there are really big profits to be had. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: putuallin at July 11, 2005, 3:03 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I have only done the tryal version of pokertracker. I know it would help me a lot to find out what type of players im sitting with and I probley should get it. Only thing stoping me is Ive done 7 casinos and 2 poker sites this month so I don't reall need it at the moment. I will be sure to get it in the future. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at July 11, 2005, 2:39 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | putuallin wrote: If I am playing at 1 or 2 full ring games there is no way I will be able to get good reads on even half the players
PokerTracker helps you out a lot in this respect. If you are not using it already, I recommend checking it out. (Use this BonusWhore link to their site if you want to know more, or buy it: www.pokertracker.com) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: putuallin at July 11, 2005, 1:10 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | The most important thing for me in the 6max games is the fact that its much easyer to get a read on your opponents, with there being 4-5 instead of 8-9 playes you have to watch.
If I am playing at 1 or 2 full ring games there is no way I will be able to get good reads on even half the players, if I'm at 1 or 2 6max games I can spot quickly who are the good players and whos going to pay me off in the end. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: VolFan64 at July 10, 2005, 7:45 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks folks! I was looking for a thread like this. My strategy while learning to play poker is getting in the 10 player tables so that I don't have to post blinds so often. Certainly, if one is trying to clear numbers of hands quickly, it would seem that 6-max tables would go more quickly.
As much as anyone wants to elaborate, keep up the good info.
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| Posted by: JPMcMoney at July 10, 2005, 7:40 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | lol, I don't need a title to illustrate my ability.
(again, just kidding Dan, don't get all upset on me. )
JP
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| Posted by: TheJourneyman at July 10, 2005, 3:40 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Valhalla1 wrote: jon593 wrote: i find it interesting that the self proclaimed 6 max pro has not chimed in on this.
its because dan is such a pro that he need not lower himself by reading what lowly whores think of poker strategy
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| Posted by: 6maxpro at July 9, 2005, 10:23 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | mattspoker wrote: I hear he found a system and switched to no bonus black jack and Pai Gow for a living
Goddamit, lol.
I don't really feel like posting a full guide, in part because I'm not a great player.
Here's my advice, though: position + initiative = money in poker, and this is true nowhere more than short LHE. Go read heads up/short handed at 2plus2. Search the archives for posts by Schneids, El Diablo, Nikla, etc.
Take it slow. Try a table or two while you're playing your regular game. My VP$IP/PFR is about 24/17. Great players can play about 29/22... I can't... I already feel like I'm pushing marginal edges. You should be raising at least 2/3 of the time you VP$IP, and should almost always open raise if you play. Don't overdefend your blinds, especially at 5/10 and below. The rake is ridiculous.
If you play Party skins, *play with rakeback.* I'd send you to rakereturns.com as Jek is a good guy and deserves the business, but it ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at July 8, 2005, 5:32 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | I hear he found a system and switched to no bonus black jack and Pai Gow for a living
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| Posted by: Valhalla1 at July 8, 2005, 3:48 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | jon593 wrote: i find it interesting that the self proclaimed 6 max pro has not chimed in on this.
its because dan is such a pro that he need not lower himself by reading what lowly whores think of poker strategy | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Verdi at July 8, 2005, 2:23 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | 2outer wrote:
And btw, I always here people saying how great toppair is shorthanded, and that middle pair is good too. And any pocket pair... When I first started playing 6-max games my flopped two pairs and sets just kept losing, not just once, but many times. My point is, you will still get bad beats, probably more than in full ring games.
Yes, because people will call with everything they will also draw out on you more often.
6 max limit is tilt city for me. 6 max NL is slightly better as I can protect my good flops there. Something you can't do in limit. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: 2outer at July 8, 2005, 2:18 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Argh.. looks like I'm going to have to 'study' 6-max games again... I prefer the straight forward, boring full-ring games. (Seriously, I can play 4 full-ring tables and still have nothing to do.)
How many tables do you guys play when you're multitabling 6-max? Because it's more important to read other players and stuff, so 4-tabling is probably not a smart thing to do.
And btw, I always here people saying how great toppair is shorthanded, and that middle pair is good too. And any pocket pair... When I first started playing 6-max games my flopped two pairs and sets just kept losing, not just once, but many times. My point is, you will still get bad beats, probably more than in full ring games. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: wyldchyld at July 7, 2005, 6:03 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I would alter Party on that list. With the massive change to 6 max limit tables at 3/6 & 5/10, the fish are swimming there. It will be VITAL to upgrade your game for these tables. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jon593 at July 7, 2005, 2:51 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | | i find it interesting that the self proclaimed 6 max pro has not chimed in on this. Come on if your going to call yourself 6 max pro you atleast have to excel at limit and nl | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at July 7, 2005, 12:06 pm | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | Very informative post. Thanks a million.
I am just not comfortable with the SH game, but if this is the way poker is going, perhaps I should get comfortable with it.
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| Posted by: ed209 at July 7, 2005, 11:23 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | you would play 6-max as you would a full ring game if every hand started in middle position. since you are blinded more often, you need to also be more aggressive in late position in order to earn your share of forced bets.
as there are few players in each hand, high starting cards become more valuable than drawing hands. for example, be more inclined to play lone unsuited aces and kings if situations warrant, and less inclined to play low pairs and connectors, especially 1-on-1. play the first two positions as normal, but take the offensive from the cutoff and down. you may need to fine tune your strategy if there is another good player at the table who will play back at you. but if you can steamroll opponents with a majority of your good hands, then you'll understand why some people prefer 6-max games not just for bonus whoring, but overall in general too (though myself, I tend to lean towards full ring still, but it's all personal preference).
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| Posted by: andrew26 at July 7, 2005, 9:12 am | | Topic: 6-max strategy adjustments? Forum: Bonus Whores | As most of you know I am pretty much a grinder. I experimented with playing $50 NL tables over the spring and early summer and have determined that I am much more comfortable (and profitable) when playing limit games.
My NL experiment has been beneficial, however, as I am now a MUCH more aggressive limit player and my profits have sharply increased as a result.
That being said, I have noticed a trend towards these 6-max games, and have read how many whores think that the fish have flocked to these games.
My question is what strategy changes should be made to play these games? Obviously you will need to play more hands, or the blinds can kill you.
I am used to just sitting back at a full ring game, waiting for a premium starting hand, or a good raising situation, raising, and watching what happens. I presume this is not optimal strategy for the 6-max games.
So, help me out, fellow whores, and tell me how I should play these 6-max games.
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