| Posted by: Mikke_ at December 7, 2005, 4:42 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | PianoWhore wrote: MikeyObviously wrote: How tight exactly is your asshole? Listen...I'm done with this exchange...and won't be reading this thread or any poker forums anymore. .... Good day.
Sounds like he's on tilt.
Didn't stop him posting again though
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| Posted by: PianoWhore at December 7, 2005, 4:33 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | MikeyObviously wrote: How tight exactly is your asshole? Listen...I'm done with this exchange...and won't be reading this thread or any poker forums anymore. .... Good day.
Sounds like he's on tilt. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at November 20, 2005, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Wow, what an ass.
It's okay to be confident in your abilities, but it seems pretty easy to step over that line into misplaced and unchecked arrogance.
Appreciate the comments guys... no worries, I'll still be posting. Can't let one asshole ruin it for everybody else. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at November 20, 2005, 3:27 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | MikeyObviously wrote: How tight exactly is your asshole? Listen...I'm done with this exchange...and won't be reading this thread or any poker forums anymore. Also...I will accept the same newb (you don't have to be a newb...that is just what he calls it) challenge that Jim offers for any of you in this poker forum, just PM me. Good day.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at November 20, 2005, 3:25 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Pokerdogg wrote: Lionel Hutz wrote: Keep Posting Alpha.
I For one enjoy reading your posts.
I second that. Keep posting.
Make that three - once again - great post in RAISING THE LIMITS thread.
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at November 20, 2005, 2:47 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | How tight exactly is your asshole? Listen...I'm done with this exchange...and won't be reading this thread or any poker forums anymore. Also...I will accept the same newb (you don't have to be a newb...that is just what he calls it) challenge that Jim offers for any of you in this poker forum, just PM me. Good day. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at November 19, 2005, 11:53 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | MikeyObviously wrote: Tilting is an emotional response of anger...which results in steaming away chips. I have never steamed away chips in over two years. Tilting isn't even a flaw in a poker game...it is a flaw in personality. Tilting is borderline narcisitic.
Looks like we have a difference of opinion on what "tilt" means. I do agree that the classical definition of "tilt" is an angry overaggressive response when you stop playing your best. I think many people (including myself) have really taken that definition beyond that to anytime you allow your emotions to control your play in a negative way - be it angry, depressed, etc.
*shrug* I can certainly see you not having the classic "tilt" symptoms for a long stretch of time, so I won't dispute that.
Quote: Oh..and I'm on Dr. Phil next WED to find my "tilt triggers". What a fucking joke.
I have to be honest, second time in a few days I've found your "sense of humor" just flat out caustic. I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MikeyObviously at November 17, 2005, 11:39 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Oh...I've havn't played my best all the time. I have caught myself playing extremely poor many times.
Tilting is an emotional response of anger...which results in steaming away chips. I have never steamed away chips in over two years. Tilting isn't even a flaw in a poker game...it is a flaw in personality. Tilting is borderline narcisitic.
Oh..and I'm on Dr. Phil next WED to find my "tilt triggers". What a fucking joke. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at November 17, 2005, 10:36 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Gotta agree with Grinder - there is NO way that you haven't tilted. Tilt isn't always a complete moronic blowout, it often is quite slow - like when you start steaming from a few ugly beats and you start playing more passively since you are "expecting" to get another bad beat. That is tilt. I consider myself a very mellow, calm, patient person, and I know I go on tilt. Happens at least a couple of times a month, and I play professionally.
You might need to spend some time figuring out when you aren't playing optimally and figure out the trigger, so you recognize it. I recognize several of my tilt triggers now, and force myself to walk away when they occur to try nip tilt in the bud.
Stats alone don't mean much (for example, my VP$IP is lower than yours, but it is an outgrowth of my style and the tables I seek out, plus I play at a higher limit than you do), but the stat the hit me - like everybody else - was your WTSD/W$SD stats. There is no doubt that you are making a few too man... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Grinder at November 17, 2005, 9:37 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | What you MEAN is that you have never SEEN yourself tilt. Unless you are a 5BB/100 player over 100,000 hands - you have tilted - I guarentee it.
Your statement is ludicras. I don't know you but even if you were Mason Malmuth I wouild have to disagree, but your statement IS one of the biggest boasts I have ever heard in 7 years of online play. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at November 17, 2005, 3:17 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Went To SD: 22.19 (not sure if that's a good neighborhood).I've learned when to release my holdings on the turn too when I think I'm beat and saving those bets.
W$ At SD: 59.20 (I guess that's ok....right?...)
Even though I'm no stat-wiz, I have to comment on these particular stats (like many others already have).
"Saving bets" is good and all, but when you are saving bets and loosing entire pots because of it, that is a severe leak that can hurt your profits big time.
Even more so as making too many of those "good laydowns" (where you definately were not beat all of the time) seems to be a pattern that is very easily picked up on, imho. You don't need PokerTracker to notice a player that raises preflop, pushes the flop and then regularly lays it down to a raise or surprise bet on the turn. Personally, I think that even very mediocre players can easily pick up on this, and are willing to risk an extra bet on the turn to see if they can ta... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MikeyObviously at November 17, 2005, 1:57 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Grinder wrote: If you think a -200BB runs can be avoided you are not looking at reality.
Never tilting and knowing when to leave a table will not do it because EVERYONE tilts sooner or later. I'm not saying playing crazy is tilting but there are other tilts. 200 swings are normally from bad cards, not tilting.
I can not fathom how a person can think he can overcome randomness.
World class players have greater the 200BB runs.
pokerdog - 33% is the average of 1.5BB/100 players
I don't tilt. I never have...and I never will. Perhaps you should look in the mirror to find what makes you tilt...
World class players play against other world class players. I play against dolts.
Also...thinking back I think my worst string is -130 BB. This is over a two and a half year period, from limits 2/4 to 20/40 (and recently 30/60 at bodog...that game is good). I'm not saying I'm immune, but it hasn't happened yet...and that kind of... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Grinder at November 17, 2005, 12:23 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | If you think a -200BB runs can be avoided you are not looking at reality.
Never tilting and knowing when to leave a table will not do it because EVERYONE tilts sooner or later. I'm not saying playing crazy is tilting but there are other tilts. 200 swings are normally from bad cards, not tilting.
I can not fathom how a person can think he can overcome randomness.
World class players have greater the 200BB runs.
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| Posted by: Pokerdogg at November 17, 2005, 12:17 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote:
Clearly, WtSD=22% means you are throwing away a lot of winning hands. Sure, sometimes you will find the villains have the worst case hand and you lose that last bet. But still you must call since the cost of tossing the winning hand could be 5+BB cost vs the cost of paying off the nuts being only 1BB. This error ALONE could cause your entire 200BB downswing!
What would be a good WtSD percentage figure? I just checked my stats in PT, and it shows 27.66%. Is this too low also? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at November 17, 2005, 8:08 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | I also think your PFR is too low. Shoot, I would still rate you TPA rather than TAA.
Clearly, WtSD=22% means you are throwing away a lot of winning hands. Sure, sometimes you will find the villains have the worst case hand and you lose that last bet. But still you must call since the cost of tossing the winning hand could be 5+BB cost vs the cost of paying off the nuts being only 1BB. This error ALONE could cause your entire 200BB downswing!
During a downswing, it can be hard to call down when you know your hand is going to lose most of the time. However, even if you lose 75% of the time at showdown, you are going to be way ahead calling that last bet when the pot is large. It might feel glorious to make a perfect laydown, but in LHE tring to be clever is a money loser.
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| Posted by: Grinder at November 17, 2005, 6:20 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm with B-hustler - I think you are winning way to much at SD and what this means is that you are folding to many winners.
Went To SD: 22% is pretty low and I think you are releasing winners. remember who you are playing against. Yor up against people pushing bottom pair.
PFR is way way low. PT says you ar aggressive??
Aggression Factor - is this including Pre flop?? I'm wondering if you are being aggressive TO much post flop but this could be because you are folding to much.
This page has Millers Starting hands. If you follow this you will be about 7.5% PFR. Then if you raise 100% of the time when you are 1st to act (Instead of calling) you will get another 4%.
http://www.grinderswarehouse.com/charts.htm
As for 200BB down swings. It'll happen to EVERYBODY. I went through one in June on 3/6. sucks. It seems everything I did was wrong and every good hand was cracked on the river.
Your problem LOOKS like you releasing g... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: B-hustler at November 17, 2005, 6:05 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote:
Went To SD: 22.19 (not sure if that's a good neighborhood).I've learned when to release my holdings on the turn too when I think I'm beat and saving those bets.
W$ At SD: 59.20 (I guess that's ok....right?...)
I think you're may be folding the best hand too much. WSD should be around 30, and W$SD a little lower. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MikeyObviously at November 17, 2005, 12:58 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I forgot to add this...try to play during prime hours. So hit the cryptos in the afternoon and party at night (assuming US...). This is really important. Don't give up your SAT night over it...but don't play tuesdays at 10am either. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MikeyObviously at November 17, 2005, 12:44 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | I havn't had a -200BB run in over two years, and never a losing stretch of 10k hands. I don't think that is true. -200BB runs can be avoided by never tilting and knowing when to leave a table.
That being said...I'm sorry to say that if you are losing over 10k hands at .50/1 poker that is not a good sign. Sorry to break the news...but you need to work on your game.
a few things...
Quote: ;but I have loosened up my LP hands,and have been playing some medium PP and suited connectors in EP and MP for deception purposes)
You are playing .50/1 poker...deception should not be a part of your repetoire...your opponents won't notice. Play those suited connectors in EP and MP based completely on whether or not enough people will play behind you.
Quote: used to be lower but I started to raise more PP when opening late as well as improving on my blind steal attempts
5.4 is low...especially for a 18 VP$IP. Those numbers should be close... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: todd at November 16, 2005, 11:16 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I don't have any advice for you, but I'd like to say that -200BB eventually happens to anyone who puts in hundreds of hours (except for maybe those rare few who are crushing $0.05/$0.10 for 8BB/100 and don't bother to move up). If anyone here has been playing for months without a -200BB run, consider yourself very lucky. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at November 16, 2005, 10:34 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback on most recent 10K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Through my most recent stretch of 10K hands(10,141 to be exact) PT now has me rated at Tight-Aggressive/Aggressive(which is what we strive for right?Originally I was rated as Tight-Passive/Aggressive aka the dreaded Rock).These are my key stats right now:
VP$IP: 18.33 ( a bit low maybe;but I have loosened up my LP hands,and have been playing some medium PP and suited connectors in EP and MP for deception purposes).
W$WSF: 27.37 (lower then I'd like but it also means I'm learning when to release bad holdings on the flop and not get tied up on tough decisions on the turn).
Went To SD: 22.19 (not sure if that's a good neighborhood).I've learned when to release my holdings on the turn too when I think I'm beat and saving those bets.
W$ At SD: 59.20 (I guess that's ok....right?...)
PFR: 5.40 (used to be lower but I started to raise more PP when opening late as well as improving on my blind steal attempts).
Blind Steal: 15.75 (Raising with any PP's,a... | | Read Entire Entry |
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