| Posted by: MYNAMEIZGREG at December 13, 2005, 1:34 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: There's no good way to protect yourself other than putting in a good sized raise preflop. But as Ed pointed out, you want underpairs to call you so it can't be too big (3-5 X the BB is typical but you should vary this so your opponent can't put you on a specific hand).
I'd make a good sized bet post flop and if your opponent raises you, reraise them back. If they go all in immediately in response, you're probably beat and if they just call they might just have an overpair to the board but an underpair to you. OR they do have a set and figure you're going to fire again on the turn and THEN they'll push it all in hoping you think you're pot committed. If you can't expect rational behavior from opponents and have no read on them, you're just going to get burned some of the time. Just hope you hit your set AND he hits his.
Why vary this? If you raise the same each time (not including accounting for every limper) how is it possible to determine what you have? AQ=AA... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RobDoral at December 5, 2005, 10:55 am | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | There's no good way to protect yourself other than putting in a good sized raise preflop. But as Ed pointed out, you want underpairs to call you so it can't be too big (3-5 X the BB is typical but you should vary this so your opponent can't put you on a specific hand).
I'd make a good sized bet post flop and if your opponent raises you, reraise them back. If they go all in immediately in response, you're probably beat and if they just call they might just have an overpair to the board but an underpair to you. OR they do have a set and figure you're going to fire again on the turn and THEN they'll push it all in hoping you think you're pot committed. If you can't expect rational behavior from opponents and have no read on them, you're just going to get burned some of the time. Just hope you hit your set AND he hits his. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: tarheel1 at December 4, 2005, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | yliherra wrote: In a typical situation with AA, you put in a good raise and 1 player calls with others folding and you get a nice pot to start with.
If the flop is 6,9,3 offsuit and you either dont bet or fold when he bets, you are just playing dumb. He could be holding AK, KK, QQ, JJ, a smaller pair or even totally bluffing. Most of the time AA will hold up.
There are 3 rounds of betting after the flop and its pretty easy to get so involved that you cant really justify backing down.
If you have such fantastic "post flop play skills" that you can discern when the other guy has trips and fold, then kudos to you. The other guy, on the other hand, can be pretty sure I dont have trips if the flop doesnt have any high cards and I made a big raise/reraise preflop and he called it.
as Brunson says AA will most of the time win you a small pot or lose you a big one. If you don't know how to lay AA down you may be in trouble
as Kenny said you got to know when t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: yliherra at December 4, 2005, 7:20 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | In a typical situation with AA, you put in a good raise and 1 player calls with others folding and you get a nice pot to start with.
If the flop is 6,9,3 offsuit and you either dont bet or fold when he bets, you are just playing dumb. He could be holding AK, KK, QQ, JJ, a smaller pair or even totally bluffing. Most of the time AA will hold up.
There are 3 rounds of betting after the flop and its pretty easy to get so involved that you cant really justify backing down.
If you have such fantastic "post flop play skills" that you can discern when the other guy has trips and fold, then kudos to you. The other guy, on the other hand, can be pretty sure I dont have trips if the flop doesnt have any high cards and I made a big raise/reraise preflop and he called it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at December 4, 2005, 5:25 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | yliherra wrote: I mean, there is no way you are gonna fold AA to a board of rags.
Quote: If the board flops low cards only and he hits trips, the situation will easily lead to you losing your entire stack.
you just answered your own question.
Quote: Even if u raise 6x BB the implied odds are good for someone going for those trips if you both got large stacks.
well, both you and 66 have the same exact chance of hitting trips. the reason why AA is still good because every other time he DOESN'T hit trips, you will probably win. bottom line - you want 66 to call you EVERY time pre-flop no matter HOW much you bet.
sounds like you have no ability to play after the flop. you think AA is bulletproof but in reality, it's just one fricking pair. buying short stacks can reduce your decision-making requirements, and decrease risk. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at December 4, 2005, 2:24 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: If the board flops low cards only and he hits trips, the situation will easily lead to you losing your entire stack. I mean, there is no way you are gonna fold AA to a board of rags.
Be careful with that mindset-if someone pushes all in with rags on the board odds are high they have the set.I paid $100 lesson for that that almost wiped out my sanity and bankroll.
Don't get married to high PP's. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: yliherra at December 4, 2005, 12:04 pm | | Topic: Protecting high pair against trips preflop & stack size Forum: Bonus Whores | So you get dealth AA, KK or QQ. Someone has 66.
Problem:
If the board flops low cards only and he hits trips, the situation will easily lead to you losing your entire stack. I mean, there is no way you are gonna fold AA to a board of rags.
So what tactics should you use to avoid getting owned by trips.
Even if u raise 6x BB the implied odds are good for someone going for those trips if you both got large stacks. Play with a smaller stack? If you raise too much your AA is wasted when no one calls. | | Static Link |
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