| Posted by: elf23 at January 19, 2006, 12:57 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | solring wrote: elf23 wrote: I'm pretty sure you can play J9s as well
I do deviate depending on the table...
But I almost never play QJo and QTo. I found those two hands to be my biggest losers when I did the review.
RFI == Raise when First In (...stat in PokerTracker...)
...someone needs to occasionally fold top pair to aggression
or just eliminate em entirely, i'm about to do that with KJ and AT/A9 for awhile
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at January 18, 2006, 9:42 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I recommend the starting hand charts in Internet Texas Hold Em by Matthew Hilger as well.Those alone helped to turn my game around over the summer. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: solring at January 18, 2006, 7:53 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: I'm pretty sure you can play J9s as well
I do deviate depending on the table...
But I almost never play QJo and QTo. I found those two hands to be my biggest losers when I did the review.
RFI == Raise when First In (...stat in PokerTracker...)
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| Posted by: elf23 at January 17, 2006, 6:30 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm pretty sure you can play J9s as well
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at January 17, 2006, 5:16 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | gerkshz wrote: solring wrote: After playing for two years and hitting a major downturn from July through October, I took a week off and, using PokerTracker and the "review your play" guide from BetThePot, re-evaluated my starting hands. If anyone cares, I came up with the following:
EP, Pairs: AA - 88, raise 99+
EP, Suited: AKs - A7s, KQs
EP, Unsuited: AK, AQ
MP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI 66+
MP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K9s, QJs
MP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
LP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI all
LP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K2s, QJs - Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s
LP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
what's RFI? i'm too lazy (or dumb) to even think for more than 5 seconds about it...
Neither did I, but how hard can it be to put RFI AND poker into Google?
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| Posted by: gerkshz at January 17, 2006, 5:12 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | solring wrote: After playing for two years and hitting a major downturn from July through October, I took a week off and, using PokerTracker and the "review your play" guide from BetThePot, re-evaluated my starting hands. If anyone cares, I came up with the following:
EP, Pairs: AA - 88, raise 99+
EP, Suited: AKs - A7s, KQs
EP, Unsuited: AK, AQ
MP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI 66+
MP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K9s, QJs
MP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
LP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI all
LP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K2s, QJs - Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s
LP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
what's RFI? i'm too lazy (or dumb) to even think for more than 5 seconds about it... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: solring at January 17, 2006, 2:30 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | After playing for two years and hitting a major downturn from July through October, I took a week off and, using PokerTracker and the "review your play" guide from BetThePot, re-evaluated my starting hands. If anyone cares, I came up with the following:
EP, Pairs: AA - 88, raise 99+
EP, Suited: AKs - A7s, KQs
EP, Unsuited: AK, AQ
MP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI 66+
MP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K9s, QJs
MP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
LP, Pairs: AA - 22; RFI all
LP, Suited: AKs - A2s, KQs - K2s, QJs - Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s
LP, Unsuited: AKo - AJo, KQ, KJ
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| Posted by: RobDoral at January 17, 2006, 12:22 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicorette87 wrote: HEy guys so I finished reading killer online poker and should have my small stakes hold em book soon enough. I have a question regarding that site that gives you 2 free books? What are the terms for this bonus? And are their fractions of rakes for lower limit players tha tcount towards the bonus? Anyway your guys advise was great.
You'll probably want to contact the site directly. Some, like Matt Hilger's site are BW competitors. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at January 17, 2006, 12:16 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicorette87 wrote: So I've been playing online poker for about 2 months. I played for fun for that time and was succesful at clearing 2 bonus' and left with more money in my pocket than I came in with. But I want to get serious, real serious about my play and hopefully become a succesful online poker player. I've picked up Killer Online Poker book and I just order Sklansky's Low limit Texas Hodlem. I know the Sklansky book has starting hands chart but I wont have that for 2 weeks and wanted to start getting them memorized. So what is your guys starting hands list and whered you get it. BTW my game is limit texas holdem Thansk a lot guys
try xxx.lowlimitholdem.com if you want a decent guide to low limit holdem. I assume you know how to get to the page but I didn't want to stick in a working link. I can't tell if it would be considered a BW competitor but it sucks for bonus info and obviously you'd want to use the signup links at BW. It does provide you with some rudimentary info o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SMRacine at January 17, 2006, 11:13 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote: *heh* I always wondered why I started spewing chips after I read SSHE and you are probably right. It was one of the first books I read and while it would be too simple to say that it gave you excuses to call or raise in any situation, it definately had a lean towards that thinking.
I should probably get the Jones book for my dad who looks for reasons to stay. The other day he is in a pot with 99 and the flop comes QQT. Personally, I would have run screaming from that flop. Turn is a J and River is a K and he loses to an A high straight.
I ask him why he even stayed in with 99 after that flop and he said, well I had 2 pair...
Somedays I don't like admitting that we are related....
Where does he play and what's his user-id?
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| Posted by: gerkshz at January 14, 2006, 6:33 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: sjguppy wrote: Someone mentioned getting away from Miller's loose play starting hands. Good advise. Start with the tight play hands and then adjust depending on the table. I have only been playing about 18 months and don't recall any tables with 6-8 players calling.
You must not play Party 1/2
Eventually it's good to get away from starting hand charts altogether. Too many decisions are sooo table dependant.
i started at the .15/.25 at Party (play money basically) and there are no 6-8 players on AVERAGE calling pre-flop. it just doesn't exist anymore. sure, sometimes, 6-8 players will call pre-flop but not on AVERAGE. typically, it will ALWAYS be around 3-5 players.
SSHE's super aggressive play is best for B&M casinos where bored players will play with any hands. Hilger's book is probably the best for (micro)limit games online.
also, the other book that helped me a LOT is "Illustrated Guide To Texas Hold'em." t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elf23 at January 13, 2006, 11:18 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | sjguppy wrote: Someone mentioned getting away from Miller's loose play starting hands. Good advise. Start with the tight play hands and then adjust depending on the table. I have only been playing about 18 months and don't recall any tables with 6-8 players calling.
You must not play Party 1/2
Eventually it's good to get away from starting hand charts altogether. Too many decisions are sooo table dependant.
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| Posted by: Nicorette87 at January 13, 2006, 10:35 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | HEy guys so I finished reading killer online poker and should have my small stakes hold em book soon enough. I have a question regarding that site that gives you 2 free books? What are the terms for this bonus? And are their fractions of rakes for lower limit players tha tcount towards the bonus? Anyway your guys advise was great. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: sjguppy at January 8, 2006, 2:57 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | It's intersting that starting with SSHE caused a lot of you to start losing. It was my 5th book and my win rate doubled after reading it. It does advocate betting and raising a lot and that might not be best when you don't understand when and how to push. Whatever you start with, though, once you are comforble with your game you should read it. I am sure I read in the book or something written by Miller or Sklansky that it wasn't a beginners book. I would also recommend Theory of Poker by Sklansky. I have been going through that book again and it has some great sections such as slow play, check raising and especially bluffing. It didn't help me much at first but make great sense now that I have been playing a while.
Someone mentioned getting away from Miller's loose play starting hands. Good advise. Start with the tight play hands and then adjust depending on the table. I have only been playing about 18 months and don't recall any tables with 6-8 players calling. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Osric at January 8, 2006, 9:55 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | *heh* I always wondered why I started spewing chips after I read SSHE and you are probably right. It was one of the first books I read and while it would be too simple to say that it gave you excuses to call or raise in any situation, it definately had a lean towards that thinking.
I should probably get the Jones book for my dad who looks for reasons to stay. The other day he is in a pot with 99 and the flop comes QQT. Personally, I would have run screaming from that flop. Turn is a J and River is a K and he loses to an A high straight.
I ask him why he even stayed in with 99 after that flop and he said, well I had 2 pair...
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| Posted by: The Ocho at January 8, 2006, 5:42 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Nicorette87,
If you're talking poker books then I would recommend you read "Internet Texas Holdem: Winning Strategies from an Internet Pro" by Matthew Hilger (ITH). I too first read SSH at the start and didn't have a clue what the hell was going on. I then read "Winning Low-Limit Hold'em" by Lee Jones and that helped a bit but it wasn't until I read ITH that I understood a lot more about limit hold'em (particularly position).
By the way Nicorette87, I hope your not paying for your books. You can get two books for free by going to somewhere like internettexasholdem.com and signing up at one of the participating poker rooms. There are also other places out there that will give you free books, etc, so there should be no need to pay for at least 6-8 books (more than enough to get you going ).
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| Posted by: elf23 at January 8, 2006, 2:33 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | I can vouch for the problems of reading SSHE first. It was the first book I read after I had been playing for 2 months and my BB/100 dropped like a rock even compared to my early clueless days.
Recently reread it and HEFAP after another 15k hands or so and found them invaluable.
Someone said that Lee Jones book is "find any excuse to fold" and SSHE is "find any excuse to call or raise". Not entirely correct of course, but if you don't understand exactly when/why Miller is advocating a raise with a flush draw as opposed to a call or with middle pair as opposed to a fold etc you will get lost at the table and start making mistakes.
I also think that the loose-average games SSHE was written for are becoming harder to find (online - still there B&M) and it seems that HEFAP and Ciaffione's book are better for say, your now typical PR or UB or ABS 3/6 game.
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| Posted by: shoe478 at January 8, 2006, 2:03 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | oh God...just starting out....i would hate to think i had to start over again.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at January 8, 2006, 12:51 am | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Many people here use the basic starting hand guidelines/chart from SSHE (Small Stakes Hold'em, by Ed Miller, et al, published by 2+2).
For basic stuff like this, check the Micro-Limits FAQ at 2+2. Bottom section has links to threads that contain starting charts you can download. (BTW, NEVER use the "loose" charts if they are available. Always work off the "tight" charts when you have a choice.)
Now, if you'd like to discuss specifics on those charts, we'd be more than happy too, but that should get you started.
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To add to the information overload you are about to experience, I would HIGHLY recommend that you look into Lee Jones "Winning Low Limit Hold'em" as a good starting book as well, just to get your play solidifed. (Disclaimer: I haven't read Sklanky's Low Limit book.) From there, play a bit, then pick up and devour SSHE and apply its lessons liberally.
And I will repeat my mantra from earlier threads on this. Do not read SSHE first. You ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Nicorette87 at January 7, 2006, 8:25 pm | | Topic: Starting Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | So I've been playing online poker for about 2 months. I played for fun for that time and was succesful at clearing 2 bonus' and left with more money in my pocket than I came in with. But I want to get serious, real serious about my play and hopefully become a succesful online poker player. I've picked up Killer Online Poker book and I just order Sklansky's Low limit Texas Hodlem. I know the Sklansky book has starting hands chart but I wont have that for 2 weeks and wanted to start getting them memorized. So what is your guys starting hands list and whered you get it. BTW my game is limit texas holdem Thansk a lot guys | | Static Link |
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