| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 3, 2006, 12:01 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Ok, you're a hockey fan, so I'll cut you some slack and ask this as nicely as I can: do you really expect us to wade through 4 screens (and I'm on a Dell 2001FP...it'd be 6 screens on my laptop) of trainwreck for you, just to affirm what you clearly already know? You're too passive preflop and weak-tight postflop. And, yeah, that's obvious from a cursory glance at what you've provided. (And, not for nothing, graphs of winnings are completely useless.)
Read hands. Respond to hands. Post (a few) of your own. Read those responses. Repeat. Get better. Win $$$. Buy a new girlfriend. Enjoy life.
Stats are the snapshot of the story, they don't tell the story.
Feedback I received from someone else;I guess it tells the story trully.
Quote: Conclusion: you play extremely weak-tight. Stick around and we'll beat it out of ya, albiet painfully.
I want you guys to the same-please beat it out of me no matter how painful short of D... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 2, 2006, 11:37 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond;I really appreciate it.If I never get anything else out of poker I'll be glad to have been able to be a member of a forum where people were willing to devote time out of their busy schedule to offer advice to another player.If I ever hit it big in life I'll pay you guys back. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Dead_Baby_Jesus at February 2, 2006, 10:29 pm | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I see what you're saying...If it were at %100 you'd be folding alot of winners that weren't the nuts. I play PL and NL So if all my showdowns were winning, I'd be pretty happy. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at February 2, 2006, 10:35 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Dead_Baby_Jesus wrote: I don't know much about limit... But why is 60% won high? Don't you want your showdows won to be as close to 100% as possible?
Of course you want them to be as close to 100% as possible, but in limit the only way to achieve high W$SD% is to fold all but the best hands before they get there - which means you are giving up a lot of value, and will be a losing player.
Although W$SD% is a useful stat, I only use it as a hopping off point to the more important one. I actually am more concerned with WtSD% (Went to Showdown%), since that number is too low (should be in the low 30's), and shows that a lot of laydowns are being made - most likely laydowns with the best hand. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: 2muchMONEY at February 2, 2006, 9:40 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Dead_Baby_Jesus wrote: I don't know much about limit... But why is 60% won high? Don't you want your showdows won to be as close to 100% as possible?
nope. 100% means you're a pussy and you fold too much hands!
EDIT: i just checked my stats and now i think 60% is not too bad but it should defintely not get any higher
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at February 2, 2006, 9:18 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | It's great that you are analyzing your play, and looking for advice. Best way to learn.
Based strictly on what you have provided (lots of good detail there), and with the normal caveat that some levels (particularly .15/.30) may skew the analysis a bit (a bit too much "no fold 'em hold 'em"):
-VP$IP looks pretty solid.
- PFR% is definitely a bit too low, but with the larger # of people seeing the flop, you don't want to bring it much above 7-8% at these lower limit games. (At higher levels, you get signficantly higher PFR% - mine hovers b/t 12 and 14% - because of the # of times you are raising first in with hands like KJo from late middle position. That would be a losing play at the lower limits.)
- WtSD% is horrible. You are looking for and finding WAY too many spots to make laydowns. You shouldn't be winning that often at showdown, and you need to start identifying areas where you are doing that. That leak ALONE is a huge issue.
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| Posted by: DrStrange at February 2, 2006, 9:11 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | The big problem I see is WtSD = 22.66%. You are laying down winners lots of times - as you describe it "knowing when to get out on the turn". This is your huge leak.
A <much> smaller leak is your blind defense. At $0.50/1 and lower there aren't that many folks stealing blinds. You defend your big blind about 50% of the time. I think that is too much. You are out of possition with commonly the worse hand preflop. Even at half price that is a tough place to play unless your post flop skills are superior. I think your results would be better with half as many big blind defenses. As for your small blind defense - maybe it is a hair low but if so not too much.
I also think you are missing a few raises. My PT rating system would rate you a rock rather than a TAG. I use 7% PFR as my minimum for TAG rating. You should be raising at least 50% more often - aim for a PFR at least 7% or better 8+%. <Assuming you are playing full rings. If you are playing 6-max - Sto... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 2muchMONEY at February 2, 2006, 5:47 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | 20k hands is a very small samplesize. play more hands to make this more accurate.
Ah and 60% won showdowns is to high in my opinion, but again: play more hands
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| Posted by: elf23 at February 2, 2006, 2:51 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | and on the graphs, and in your alias menu....but really, I wouldn't worry about too many people seeking you out on the .15/.30 tables to prey on you, not gonna happen
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| Posted by: lmcjaho at February 2, 2006, 2:38 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I'm no expert (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night) but I think you want to edit your first pic a little more - I don't have PT myself so I may be reading more into this than I should but it looks to me like your screenname is shown a few times at the bottom of the first screenshot (that is why the Net is in green right - because you won the hand?)... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: elf23 at February 2, 2006, 2:25 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | you obviously put a lot of thought into analyzing your game. that's a good thing. but I think you are worried about the wrong things. Losing 2bb/100 at .5/1 is not because of leaks like needing to mix up your play, needing to figure out when to threebet or when to call when defending your blind and so on. there's some major leaks, perhaps just one or two giant ones that once you fix you will skyrocket.
I'm not an expert stat analyzer, perhaps someone else will chime in but I do wonder how you have such a low pfr, a pretty damn high flop aggression, yet you are winning over 60 at showdown?
that's weird to me. I don't know what it means (other than you need to raise more pf, chill a bit on the flop aggression, and take quite a few more marginal hands to showdown).
I think you should take a break for awhile, reread a basic book, not SSHE or HPFAP, reset your PT stats (or at least filter them so you can start fresh), get new nicknames on your sites, and check back after another 1... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: B-hustler at February 2, 2006, 2:17 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | | I said the same thing last time, but I think your biggest problem is folding the best hand too often, making big laydowns. Fold to river bet is 52%. That's at least 10% too high. Went to showdown should be closer to 30%. You're probably also a little too aggressive on the flop, but too passive on the river. Get in those value bets on the river, and don't be afraid that the fish have drawn out on your top pair when their calling down bottom pair. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 2, 2006, 12:20 am | | Topic: Seeking Feedback Recent 20K Hands Forum: Bonus Whores | Haven't been playing as much due to work;but I wanted to seek some feedback.
These are my basic stats.I've been told my PFR needed to be higher,and that my won at showdown was too high.Been trying to utilize the overcall/river call system nside talked about with the 4 grids;so far with mixed results.My PFR has been going up a little;although I am still not fully comfortable raising certain hands first in esp against the wrong opponents.I've been able to improve on not overplaying hands that miss the flop though as well as not ramming and jamming my draws as much when I don't have the pot equity.
For positives I would say my VP$IP;preflop play is one of my strengths,as well as knowing when to get out on the turn usually.When I do call down I usually lose the minimum;my opponents would probably agree they extract less from me than they would from a maniac or a fish.PT has graded me as a TAG even though the results don't show it yet.I have also made improvements on getting off m... | | Read Entire Entry |
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