| Posted by: RedHotWhore at March 1, 2006, 12:52 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Quote:
How do you MT with that?
Mine are printed out on pages neatly organized and stapled so I can flip through them in a hurry if I have to.No worries.
Quote: Hard enough to look at a standard x-y chart when more than 2-T.
I have most of it memorized;just a few marginal hands here and there from certain positions that I need to work on.
Thanks for the stats. I've used them to tweak my game and it's been paying off big. I'm up $200 in 2 days (which is good for me, I used to just beat the rake). Slowing improving my game... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: The Man In Black at February 21, 2006, 4:12 am | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote: Once you start playing for a while you understand what is good and what isn't. I don't play by no stinkin charts I use astrology and the moon. I am invincible using this method. Read: INVINCIBLE
I read it, and it's TRUE! Hof is INDOCIBLE!
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at February 20, 2006, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | Once you start playing for a while you understand what is good and what isn't. I don't play by no stinkin charts I use astrology and the moon. I am invincible using this method. Read: INVINCIBLE
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| Posted by: londonenns at February 20, 2006, 11:37 am | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | elf23 wrote: well sure you could do generic simulations, but the table isn't generic. it may be correct to 3bet with 88 in MP at one table and fold it at another with the exact same action in front of you.
So there is no "updated" chart, there are various people's opinions of what hands to play in what situations based on simulations, personal experience, theory, etc. Some people like the chart in SSHE, some something they got off the net, whatever. I would say the tight chart from SSHE is the one most commonly recommended.
If you clear up any glaring holes (which any chart should help with), a ton of preflop play goes into the category of 'doesn't really matter one way or the other' or 'depends heavily on player reads'.
this isnt blackjack after all!!!!
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| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 13, 2006, 8:25 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | I counted more than 10 hands....
looks good though
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 13, 2006, 7:43 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote:
How do you MT with that?
Mine are printed out on pages neatly organized and stapled so I can flip through them in a hurry if I have to.No worries.
Quote: Hard enough to look at a standard x-y chart when more than 2-T.
I have most of it memorized;just a few marginal hands here and there from certain positions that I need to work on. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at February 13, 2006, 7:37 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | How do you MT with that? Hard enough to look at a standard x-y chart when more than 2-T.
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at February 13, 2006, 7:22 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | Here I'm going to be nice and give you a gift.Below are the charts from ITH and SSH I typed out due to my own need for rework.If anyone wants the Excel spreadsheet PM me.
EARLY POSITION
Blinds SB Unraised Pot SB Raised Pot BB Raised Pot
AA KK QQ Raise Reraise (RR) Reraise ( raise limpers)
JJ Raise 1, Call 2 Reraise 1, Call 2 Call (raise 1 limper)
TT 99 Raise 1, Call 2 Reraise 1, Call 2 Call
88 77 Call Reraise Lone Late, Call 3 Call 2, or 1 Middle or Late
66 55 Call Call 3 Call 2, or 1 Late
44 33 22 Call Call 3 Call 2
AKs Raise Reraise (RR) Reraise ( raise limpers)
AKo Raise Reraise OR Call Reraise OR Call (raise limpers)
AQs AQo Raise 1 or 2, Call 3 Reraise 1 or 2, Call 3 Call (raise 1 or 2 limpers)
AJs ATs Raise 1, Call 2 Reraise Lone Late, Call 1 Call
AJo ATo Raise 1, Call 2 Reraise Lone Late, Fold Call
A9s Call Reraise Lone Late, Fold Call
A9o A8o Call Fold Call 1 Late, Fold
Axs Axo Call Fold Axs Call,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at February 13, 2006, 12:26 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | When I started out playing the top 10 hands years ago I used Phil Helmuths book (I got it as a gift okay..) and according to him the top 10 hands were
AA
KK
QQ
AK
JJ
1010
99
88
AQ
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| Posted by: DrStrange at February 13, 2006, 8:20 am | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | Game theory statistics may not require complicated calculations, but do not let that deceive you into thinking the statistics are simple or the decisions obvious. Understanding basic odds is a required first step but there is a lot more going on than that. If you find a game theory class in the business school or in the ROTC program, it would be well worth your effort to take the class. You will not be exposed to any of the game thoery ideas as an engineer.
Because limit is so much more mechanical and mathmatical, you can find very good guides that will greatly help your limit game. Some of those limit books will be helpful to no limit players. They certainly can help hone your basic understanding and instincts. Be warned than many if not most of the starting hand guides begin with the premise that the game is limit hold'em. Though there are a number of limit books that will prove helpful to a no limit player, none of them can even begin to offer a formula for success in no limit. I doubt t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: flushemout24 at February 13, 2006, 2:32 am | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | For someone who only plays NL, do you think this book will be of any good then?
I have a fairly good idea of odds, being a second year uni student and one of my subjects being mathematics for engineers, these probability situations are pretty easy to understand.
I'd call myself a reasonable player, been playing for a while but never really played by any books as havnt read any, just the stuff ive seen on the net here and there.
What book do you recommend for a NL player?
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| Posted by: elf23 at February 12, 2006, 11:24 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | well sure you could do generic simulations, but the table isn't generic. it may be correct to 3bet with 88 in MP at one table and fold it at another with the exact same action in front of you.
So there is no "updated" chart, there are various people's opinions of what hands to play in what situations based on simulations, personal experience, theory, etc. Some people like the chart in SSHE, some something they got off the net, whatever. I would say the tight chart from SSHE is the one most commonly recommended.
If you clear up any glaring holes (which any chart should help with), a ton of preflop play goes into the category of 'doesn't really matter one way or the other' or 'depends heavily on player reads'.
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| Posted by: flushemout24 at February 12, 2006, 11:04 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | Still, everyone had to learn the hand ranking from a chart somewhere, am I right? I highly doubt it anyone sat there doing probability calcuations or millions of game simulations to work out that AKos is better then KQs but not in 5+ multiway pots.
A few people have, and thats why we have the charts.
Everyone had to leant from a chart somewhere, and I would like to learn the correct one to start with, as its fundemental stuff, and if your fundementals are messed up your in a for trouble later I believe.
Even if the difference is minuscule I still like the fact that what im learning is correct.
So if someone could point me to the most update one, I would be gratefull, thank you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: elf23 at February 12, 2006, 10:35 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | www.lemo--
once you have enough experience to know why and when starting hands are profitable you won't particularly need a chart. Until then if you are blindly following a chart the difference in EV between that or Sklansky's group or the chart found in any LL book will be absolutely minuscule.
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| Posted by: flushemout24 at February 12, 2006, 9:46 pm | | Topic: Starting poker hands question Forum: Bonus Whores | From sklanksys book of hold em for advanced players, to many webpages I find on the net, the starting hands vary very slightly.
http://www.tightpoker.com/poker/pokerhands.doc
I THINK this one might be the most updated one, but can someone please confirm or point me in the right directions of the most up to date starting hands, thank you. | | Static Link |
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