| Posted by: BigPoppa at March 26, 2006, 1:24 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | What was the purpose of leadin the turn?
Is a better hand folding?
He's likely to bet if checked to, even with a worse hand.
I don't like calling the push, as he could have a baby flush or a set just as easily as a worse hand.
I don't think he's on a big Ace, as he'd likely have raised it preflop; nor a big pocket pair with a Heart. So you're counting on him pulling this with either a weak Ace, bottom two pair or some BS hand like QJ with one Heart.
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| Posted by: DrStrange at March 25, 2006, 12:06 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | So . . . why is it that someone playing NL would commit any chips OOP with A10o? Unless you flop a broadway straight or 10-10 / A-A you always have troubles with knowing where you stand with this hand. Limping in for cheap seems like you are just asking for trouble. I would far rather play Axs than A10o because I have such a good chance to catch a good 2nd best hand with A10o and almost no chance to be playing from a possition of strength.
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at March 25, 2006, 11:25 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | For the record, my question about how I played mainly pertained to flop play. The way I played it was the check and see what happens way. I would fold to an EP bet, and call a LP bet. Looking back at the hand and other's responses...I should have led out. I know that I'm an idiot for not folding on the turn. I also know not to raise ATo OOP. I'd rather raise 72o on the button.
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| Posted by: wyldchyld at March 25, 2006, 9:39 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | JPMcMoney wrote: How do you figure? He open limps then calls your preflop raise, so NOW you can put him on a bigger Ace after the flop and turn action? In my estimation, you have committed more money to the pot to decduce the same information. I dunno if I would put the player on AQ, but based on the actions, I would have dumped on the turn knowing I was beat by one of the hands mentioned (KJ, 44). And for that matter, I like to open limp with hands like AK and AQ. Exactly for this reason. Raising OOP to take the pot right there has its place, but in this case, theres not enough in the pot to justify it here in my opinion.
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Not necessarily a bigger Ace, but at least a hand worth calling a raise with. Whether that be a big Ace, or pocket pair, maybe a suited connector. It is the action on the flop and turn after the pre-flop raise that really let's you know what they're holding (with the exception of some really tricky players who will play back at you).
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| Posted by: JPMcMoney at March 25, 2006, 9:02 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | How do you figure? He open limps then calls your preflop raise, so NOW you can put him on a bigger Ace after the flop and turn action? In my estimation, you have committed more money to the pot to decduce the same information. I dunno if I would put the player on AQ, but based on the actions, I would have dumped on the turn knowing I was beat by one of the hands mentioned (KJ, 44). And for that matter, I like to open limp with hands like AK and AQ. Exactly for this reason. Raising OOP to take the pot right there has its place, but in this case, theres not enough in the pot to justify it here in my opinion.
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| Posted by: wyldchyld at March 25, 2006, 8:45 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | AceM wrote: wyldchyld wrote: zm_dawg wrote: When was this $300......i see theres on on Saturday. I wish they would use the same structure as the $150's during the week where it gives you some better levels throughout the middle. As far as the play goes, I would say you'd still have all your chips if you would have bet out on the flop and been raised by the A/Q, he wouldn't have just called with a flop like that. wyld.....please dont raise here with 3 people to act behind you with such a marginal holding. This makes me wanna get into a tournament now....was gonna hold off tonight.hmm
Z I have to disagree on not raising preflop here. I praise preflop here (without being at the table unlike OP, and having no notions of how the other guys are playing) to define both my hand, and theirs.
Raising preflop does several things:
1. Gives you a chance to take the pot down without a fight
2. Defines your opponents hands to an extent
3. Defines to an extent... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zm_dawg at March 25, 2006, 2:02 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | wyldchyld wrote: zm_dawg wrote: When was this $300......i see theres on on Saturday. I wish they would use the same structure as the $150's during the week where it gives you some better levels throughout the middle. As far as the play goes, I would say you'd still have all your chips if you would have bet out on the flop and been raised by the A/Q, he wouldn't have just called with a flop like that. wyld.....please dont raise here with 3 people to act behind you with such a marginal holding. This makes me wanna get into a tournament now....was gonna hold off tonight.hmm
Z I have to disagree on not raising preflop here. I praise preflop here (without being at the table unlike OP, and having no notions of how the other guys are playing) to define both my hand, and theirs.
Raising preflop does several things:
1. Gives you a chance to take the pot down without a fight
2. Defines your opponents hands to an extent
3. Defines to an extent your hand to your o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 6maxpro at March 25, 2006, 1:12 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | AceM wrote: I'm a NL donk, I'll leave limit games to the men.
FYP.
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| Posted by: wyldchyld at March 24, 2006, 6:53 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | zm_dawg wrote: When was this $300......i see theres on on Saturday. I wish they would use the same structure as the $150's during the week where it gives you some better levels throughout the middle. As far as the play goes, I would say you'd still have all your chips if you would have bet out on the flop and been raised by the A/Q, he wouldn't have just called with a flop like that. wyld.....please dont raise here with 3 people to act behind you with such a marginal holding. This makes me wanna get into a tournament now....was gonna hold off tonight.hmm
Z I have to disagree on not raising preflop here. I praise preflop here (without being at the table unlike OP, and having no notions of how the other guys are playing) to define both my hand, and theirs.
Raising preflop does several things:
1. Gives you a chance to take the pot down without a fight
2. Defines your opponents hands to an extent
3. Defines to an extent your hand to your opponents (which if you pl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: zm_dawg at March 24, 2006, 12:13 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | theres a $300 on saturday night too i believe i saw. Like I said...these $150's every night have a different structure in the middle where the ante's and shit are less and it really helps a player like me.
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at March 23, 2006, 11:02 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | | they just added the 300 on WEDs at 9pm. Yeah shoulda bet out...I would still have all my chips and probably 20 thousand dollars for first. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zm_dawg at March 23, 2006, 10:15 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | When was this $300......i see theres on on Saturday. I wish they would use the same structure as the $150's during the week where it gives you some better levels throughout the middle. As far as the play goes, I would say you'd still have all your chips if you would have bet out on the flop and been raised by the A/Q, he wouldn't have just called with a flop like that. wyld.....please dont raise here with 3 people to act behind you with such a marginal holding. This makes me wanna get into a tournament now....was gonna hold off tonight.hmm
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| Posted by: wyldchyld at March 23, 2006, 6:49 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | MikeyObviously wrote: Yeah...I know my last call was wrong and I'm pissed about it...for no other reason than 4200 at 50/100 is a fine stack to work with. I blame the god damn hand ticker...it was down to 1 second (I used almost the whole bank on a JJ vs. JJ earlier) and I wasn't done thinking yet...and just hit call.
What was running through my head was that it was a rather large overbet. The only thing that was completely clear is that he did not want another card to come off.
I had him on the following range of legit hands: a single pair of aces, A4, a small flush, or a set of 4s. The only way he could have had KJ is if the K was a heart...so that was a small chance. Same with 4s. I just gave him a really high percentage of semi-bluffing/bluffing.
He showed down the only hand I didn't expect to see at all, AcQc. No heart or ten on river for me...
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at March 23, 2006, 3:11 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | Yeah...I know my last call was wrong and I'm pissed about it...for no other reason than 4200 at 50/100 is a fine stack to work with. I blame the god damn hand ticker...it was down to 1 second (I used almost the whole bank on a JJ vs. JJ earlier) and I wasn't done thinking yet...and just hit call.
What was running through my head was that it was a rather large overbet. The only thing that was completely clear is that he did not want another card to come off.
I had him on the following range of legit hands: a single pair of aces, A4, a small flush, or a set of 4s. The only way he could have had KJ is if the K was a heart...so that was a small chance. Same with 4s. I just gave him a really high percentage of semi-bluffing/bluffing.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at March 23, 2006, 8:30 am | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | wyldchyld wrote: You need to raie here pre-flop to define your opponents hands, and make a bet of 1/2 to 60% of pot on flop for same reason.
Who had KJ off?
I don't think raising preflop is a good idea here since the OP is going to be OOP the whole hand with a weak holding. I suppose it depends on how the chipleader got all those chips and what he's doing with them. I think the OP would want others in with weaker aces and dominated tens. As the cards fell, a preflop raise and a bet on the flop WOULD have been a good thing but I don't see a point in creating a confrontation with the chip leader and two others before the flop.
I think you're right that the OP should have bet the flop as a feeler bet. If the chipleader has KJ and one of those cards is a heart, I think he calls anyway and the hand pretty much plays the same way on the turn. If the chipleader has a made flush with little cards or a set I'd guess the OP would get raised on the flop.
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| Posted by: wyldchyld at March 22, 2006, 10:48 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | You need to raise here pre-flop to define your opponents hands, and make a bet of 1/2 to 60% of pot on flop for same reason.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at March 22, 2006, 7:40 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | I hate to say it but pretty bad.
The weakest hand I think this guy might have is AQ but you're probably up against a made flush or straight with a set as an outside chance. At best you have 4 outs. I think this is a somewhat painful but easy fold. You still have tons of chips.
I'd have to have a fantastic read on the guy to think he was bluffing me and even if he was a total donk he's probably got some outs on you if you're actually ahead.
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| Posted by: MikeyObviously at March 22, 2006, 7:22 pm | | Topic: Stars 300+20 bust hand Forum: Bonus Whores | How bad did I play it? I'm pissed...
I had 6k on the 50/100 level.
Normal stack limps 3 off button, chip leader 15k limps CO, I complete in SB with AcTh, BB checks.
Flop is AQ4 all hearts. It checks around to chip leader who bets 300 and I call, everyone else is out. The turn is a black ten, and I lead out 800 into 1200. He sets me all in, and I have 4200 left about.
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