| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at April 22, 2006, 10:40 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Any money he makes from that is going directly to carpal tunnel surgery Quote:
That bad?
Quote: That's one step up from aspiring to be a professional "pick up aluminum cans from the roadside ditch and return them for Ramen noodles" guy. Quote:
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| Posted by: Penyeach at April 21, 2006, 6:46 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Penyeach wrote: WhooFleuryScores wrote: I would def love to one day be able to play professional NL25
That's one step up from aspiring to be a professional "pick up aluminum cans from the roadside ditch and return them for Ramen noodles" guy.
Please, for the sake of human potential and dignity, don't put "professional" and "NL25" next to each other ever again.
Unless you're a savant like Gonzo and 12-table it
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| Posted by: Jay at April 19, 2006, 7:28 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Penyeach wrote: WhooFleuryScores wrote: I would def love to one day be able to play professional NL25
That's one step up from aspiring to be a professional "pick up aluminum cans from the roadside ditch and return them for Ramen noodles" guy.
Please, for the sake of human potential and dignity, don't put "professional" and "NL25" next to each other ever again.
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 19, 2006, 7:12 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Penyeach wrote: WhooFleuryScores wrote: I would def love to one day be able to play professional NL25
That's one step up from aspiring to be a professional "pick up aluminum cans from the roadside ditch and return them for Ramen noodles" guy.
Please, for the sake of human potential and dignity, don't put "professional" and "NL25" next to each other ever again.
Amen
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| Posted by: Penyeach at April 19, 2006, 7:10 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: I would def love to one day be able to play professional NL25
That's one step up from aspiring to be a professional "pick up aluminum cans from the roadside ditch and return them for Ramen noodles" guy.
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at April 17, 2006, 5:58 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks everyone for all the feedback I really appreciate it.I am doing my best to at least become a break even/slightly ok player due to my love of the game.I know I don't always do the right thing or put enough effort in but I mean when I say that I would def love to one day be able to play professional NL25(beats the hell out of retail or some other minimum wage job).
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 17, 2006, 3:21 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | hofdaddy wrote:
nice way to boost your post count though
Well at my current rate per day, that's hardly a concern.
Actually, I got a PM that made me realize that I am a donkey.
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at April 17, 2006, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores |
nice way to boost your post count though
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 17, 2006, 7:22 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | I've decided that you guys are right -- he should have folded preflop
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| Posted by: DrStrange at April 16, 2006, 11:20 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores, I would fold this hand preflop because my personal postflop skills aren't good enough to deal with the complex problems that come with this type of awful hand from the BB. The more skilled people might be right that they can play any two cards in the BB for a min-raise, I can't play that well post flop. You will need to judge your own post-flop skills and decide if your skill can overcome playing such an awful hand out of possition - the pot odds certainly are tempting.
However, once in the hand I think your decision to check after the flop is fine. MPNK is a shabby hand very prone to being second best. I am surprized the villian does not bet here. Most LAG's with MPGK would bet. Go figure. I guess he was 'checking to the raiser'.
I think your bet after the turn was a bit too low. Being a $25 party game, the draws likely will not fold so I'd like charging them a bit more. When villian pops you with the raise - what hands do you think he has? Given your LAG des... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Penyeach at April 16, 2006, 6:33 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: PollyAmory wrote: Yeah I like mike's logic. That is why I ALWAYS call pre-flop with j6o in any position as long as there are 5 people in it before me. I assume BB will check of course and who cares if there's anyone to act behind.
I guess for those of us who don't have mike's post-flop virtuosity to turn a crap hand in crap position into gold, it's prob best to just fold pre-flop.
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While I appreciate your sarcasm, this will be my last post in this thread. It's obvious I'm not going to convince anyone. And it's obvious that the OP really wanted a bunch of people to discard his question and tell him not to play the hand...that's useful.
I play the hand. Here's the rest of my logic. Or for you who disagree with me, here's the rest of my excuse.
Who makes a min raise in NL? A fish. He's either got a good hand and isn't betting enough to get anyone out, thus failing to protect it, or he has a limp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Montana.T at April 16, 2006, 3:22 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | [quote="mike_m235"
You guys all sound like the guys who berate me when they find out I cracked their aces after calling a raise preflop with 78s.
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78o even, let alone 78s would be an isntant call, just j6o isn't .. the rest of what you say seems fine, just in this case the play isnt worthwhile with j6..
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| Posted by: topdawg2003 at April 16, 2006, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | | i personally don't mind the preflop call... i will call one bet with any 2 cards... you just have to be able to get away from it when you know you're beat... i also don't like betting out on the turn... with that many people in the hand, a checck raiise on 4th is probably a better play, because someone is going to bet at that point (see if you can take the pot down there)... if nobody bets, that probably means u're not gonna bet paid off if you bet or someone has an unbeatable hand (AJ for instance) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 16, 2006, 2:53 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | PollyAmory wrote: Yeah I like mike's logic. That is why I ALWAYS call pre-flop with j6o in any position as long as there are 5 people in it before me. I assume BB will check of course and who cares if there's anyone to act behind.
I guess for those of us who don't have mike's post-flop virtuosity to turn a crap hand in crap position into gold, it's prob best to just fold pre-flop.
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While I appreciate your sarcasm, this will be my last post in this thread. It's obvious I'm not going to convince anyone. And it's obvious that the OP really wanted a bunch of people to discard his question and tell him not to play the hand...that's useful.
I play the hand. Here's the rest of my logic. Or for you who disagree with me, here's the rest of my excuse.
Who makes a min raise in NL? A fish. He's either got a good hand and isn't betting enough to get anyone out, thus failing to protect it, or he has a limping hand in which he's bu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at April 16, 2006, 1:38 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Yeah I like mike's logic. That is why I ALWAYS call pre-flop with j6o in any position as long as there are 5 people in it before me. I assume BB will check of course and who cares if there's anyone to act behind.
I guess for those of us who don't have mike's post-flop virtuosity to turn a crap hand in crap position into gold, it's prob best to just fold pre-flop.
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| Posted by: Penyeach at April 16, 2006, 12:47 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: Penyeach wrote: mike_m235 wrote: xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 16, 2006, 7:05 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Penyeach wrote: mike_m235 wrote: xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 16, 2006, 6:57 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote: xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jay at April 16, 2006, 3:30 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | xaiviax wrote: I'll go with this one: On a low stakes full ring NL (not overly tight) table, feel free to "steal" my bb with 2x button raises all day long. BFD. In NL, Blind defense becomes important on short handed tables and tournament situations when the blind level becomes large in comparison to chip stacks. (like in the shows you watch on tv)
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| Posted by: xaiviax at April 15, 2006, 10:31 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should have mastered before mo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at April 15, 2006, 6:24 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Not to mention the 2 players left to act after he calls.
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| Posted by: Penyeach at April 15, 2006, 6:12 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should have mastered before mo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 15, 2006, 6:00 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | xaiviax wrote: mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should have mastered before moving up. What becomes &q... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Penyeach at April 15, 2006, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | | This thread shouldn't exist at all because you should've folded pre-flop. What type of flop/board were you looking to hit with an out of position J6o, anyway? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at April 15, 2006, 5:02 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | WhooFleuryScores wrote: Quote: You lost to JTo?
CLose.Villain showed down KJo.He left the table tripled up a few hands later(PT had him rated as a dice/gamber).
I'm sorry, I'm curious. You mentioned that the guy left tripled up. Is this the same villain from your A2 hand? Sorry man if it is.
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| Posted by: xaiviax at April 15, 2006, 4:57 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote:
All of your reasons for raising have the secondary benefit of gaining information. You have to figure out where you are in a hand -- it becomes more and more important as you move up. When you have $200 in front of you, if you can figure out you are behind for $30, you can save the rest of your stack...or instead you can figure out you are ahead and get more money from the guy.
He couldn't fold preflop -- he was the big blind. You can't fold the BB for a min raise in NL. I mean, you can -- but you shouldn't. Pretty much ever.
You played it right. You couldn't fold trips to that guy in this situation at these stakes. Sometimes the BB gets you in trouble.
Yeah, all of your raises have the secondary info benefit, I still won't raise soley for that reason. Figuring out where you are at(reading your opponents) is important at all levels. It's one of the skills you should have mastered before moving up. What becomes "more and more impor... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TylerSalzman at April 15, 2006, 3:52 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | I eat pieces of shit like j6 for breakfast
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| Posted by: Montana.T at April 15, 2006, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | You should seriously consider folding these in BB to avoid the mess you are describing .. sure call connectors but a j3 is asking for trouble and 100 of these 0.50 calls = $50 which can be better invested elsewhere or worse still a hand that spirals like this one ... $50 x 3 = $150
The betting philosophy seems solid, but perhaps a blocking bet which you can call a reraise to such as $3 ( a small increase on turn bet) might work.
Often people will just hit that autoreraise button, like he did on turn, so you call another $3 making it $6 saving yourself $1 or if he pushes you can think about folding and saving $4 +X.
man this post is getting complicated ...
I just dont like the check call .. check fold i can understand but check/call seems week, but you could get to the river for free or less .. guess it depends on what bet size the villian usually makes with a made/bluff bet ...
as ever, it depends ..
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at April 15, 2006, 12:41 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Evidently you called preflop because of "pot odds". Well, you're getting paid your odds on your call, why turn that into a bigger loss by betting into a bigger hand, or having a boat now know you have trips and turning your small preflop mistake into a big post flop payoff.
Villain flipped over KJo(he called in MP with one limper) and took down the pot.Amazing because if I had had the bigger kicker(or the boat) he was the one going down.
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at April 15, 2006, 6:55 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | xaiviax wrote: I fold this preflop also. You probably have the worst hand, and you are out of position. If you hit your hand, you are likely to be dominated (higher kicker, higher strt., higher flush, better 2 pr).
Depending on styles and reads of the others in the hand: On the turn, I'm most likely going to check call. You're more likely to induce worse hands to bet, than to get worse hands here to call. (if not here, than on the river). I'm content in this situation taking down a small pot. (Evidently you called preflop because of "pot odds". Well, you're getting paid your odds on your call, why turn that into a bigger loss by betting into a bigger hand, or having a boat now know you have trips and turning your small preflop mistake into a big post flop payoff.
Also, I don't raise to "get information". I raise to get more money in the pot with a strong hand, or get better hands to fold, or give drawing hands improper odds to call, or put other play... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: xaiviax at April 15, 2006, 12:25 am | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | I fold this preflop also. You probably have the worst hand, and you are out of position. If you hit your hand, you are likely to be dominated (higher kicker, higher strt., higher flush, better 2 pr).
Depending on styles and reads of the others in the hand: On the turn, I'm most likely going to check call. You're more likely to induce worse hands to bet, than to get worse hands here to call. (if not here, than on the river). I'm content in this situation taking down a small pot. (Evidently you called preflop because of "pot odds". Well, you're getting paid your odds on your call, why turn that into a bigger loss by betting into a bigger hand, or having a boat now know you have trips and turning your small preflop mistake into a big post flop payoff.
Also, I don't raise to "get information". I raise to get more money in the pot with a strong hand, or get better hands to fold, or give drawing hands improper odds to call, or put other players out of their comfor... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at April 14, 2006, 9:29 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Honestly I fold this pre-flop.
BUT, there are two reasons for this:
1) I play limit holdem (when I play it at all) and not well.
2) I am tight as a frog's ass and don't like situations like this. So I avoid them.
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at April 14, 2006, 8:56 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: You lost to JTo?
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at April 14, 2006, 8:33 pm | | Topic: Trip JAcks Weak Kicker Forum: Bonus Whores | Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $5.14
UTG+1: $3.25
MP1: $46.14
MP2: $34.04
MP3: $54.36
CO: $23.80
Button: $11.18
SB: $6.15
MasterOfSoresu: $27.45
Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with :6h :jd
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.35), MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25 (pot was $0.6), CO folds, Button raises to $0.5, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25 (pot was $1.35), MP1 calls $0.25 (pot was $1.6), MP3 calls $0.25 (pot was $1.85).
Flop: :js :ad :3d ($2.1, 4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.
I was waiting to hit fold but noone bet.
Turn: :jh ($2.1, 4 players)
Hero bets $1.35, MP1 calls $1.35 (pot was $3.45), MP3 raises to $2.7, Button folds, Hero raises to $6, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $3.3 (pot was $10..
VIllain had raised in the past numerous time with far weakjer holdings and stolen much large... | | Read Entire Entry |
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