| Posted by: HeelHo at June 1, 2006, 3:40 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | nice points, but you are leaving out stimulating action on bigger hands. If he says this fucker three bets everything, he may give you playback on bigger hands.
_________________
If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: CoupDeGras at June 1, 2006, 2:02 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | I have a couple of things to add to the 99 vs possible AK three bet preflop discussion
1. If you three bet it hopefully you will have your opponent heads up on the flop
2. by three betting it you are improving his pot odds for a single bet on the missed flop ex. the flop comes 358 rainbow and he check/calls the flop for a 9.5 to 1 pot odds call for his 6 outs (which he would profitably call with getting 6 outs out of 47 or 7.8 to 1 chance to improve to AA or KK)
3. if you fail to raise and only call two bets cold from later position then u get in cheaper and get overcards to draw for a lesser pot odds advantage 7.5 to 1 pot odds turns his call on the flop into a -EV play for him.
4. if you get into the pot cheaper then you may not scare away your prey when the magic A9K flop comes and you will be in raising hog heaven, whereas you may scare the desire to three bet on the turn out of your top two pair opponent who now because of a three bet pre flop wonders if you have the KK or AA.
... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at May 31, 2006, 10:00 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | JuneBride wrote: Quote:
I play LHE from 1/2 to 3/6, generally 2/4. Rarely outside of those levels unless it is live.
None of my screen names relate to DrStrange. I spent last night recovering from a pool party for my youngest family members. I am not as young as I once was - playing "horsy" for an hour was a BAD idea even if the kids had a blast. Ouch!
99 is a favorite vs anything but a bigger pocket pair. When you 3-bet the original raiser not only do you get control over the hand, but you also get information since many people will cap with AA/KK. (Be sure to take notes if you see their hand.) Someone playing a big ace or suited broadway from early possition is in a bad place - they have the weaker hand and are out of possition. Even if they have TT or JJ you might be able to steal from them if an over-card comes. If they don't have a pocket pair and are unimproved, most will fold to your flop or turn bet thus giving up a substantial part of their valu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: HeelHo at May 31, 2006, 9:11 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | Reef wrote: depending on the raiser, usually 3 bet or fold moreso than cold calling, unless I think a bunch of others will come along for the ride
Medium pairs check/called vs a raiser just wont get you a profit unless you do get company. 3 betting gets the information usually. usually. Limit to win requires more reckless aggression than I feel IM capable of multi tabling. I was always a near 0BB/100 crypto bonus player. YOu hate to lay it down, but if you arent willing to be aggressive with it vs 1 opponent, its probably best.
By calling, you are making yourself a gap, because your mind tells you you are drawing. Make a set, or have some kidn of perfect board come up. You are playing limit, and unlike NL or PL you just cnat make up the cost of "missing" on the flop often enough when you hit a set to make it profitable to just call. You will have to get the info to get out or early, or force folds.
_________________
If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Reef at May 31, 2006, 2:13 am | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | | depending on the raiser, usually 3 bet or fold moreso than cold calling, unless I think a bunch of others will come along for the ride | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JuneBride at May 29, 2006, 5:41 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote:
I play LHE from 1/2 to 3/6, generally 2/4. Rarely outside of those levels unless it is live.
None of my screen names relate to DrStrange. I spent last night recovering from a pool party for my youngest family members. I am not as young as I once was - playing "horsy" for an hour was a BAD idea even if the kids had a blast. Ouch!
99 is a favorite vs anything but a bigger pocket pair. When you 3-bet the original raiser not only do you get control over the hand, but you also get information since many people will cap with AA/KK. (Be sure to take notes if you see their hand.) Someone playing a big ace or suited broadway from early possition is in a bad place - they have the weaker hand and are out of possition. Even if they have TT or JJ you might be able to steal from them if an over-card comes. If they don't have a pocket pair and are unimproved, most will fold to your flop or turn bet thus giving up a substantial part of their value vs your pocket pair. 99... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrStrange at May 29, 2006, 3:34 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | I play LHE from 1/2 to 3/6, generally 2/4. Rarely outside of those levels unless it is live.
None of my screen names relate to DrStrange. I spent last night recovering from a pool party for my youngest family members. I am not as young as I once was - playing "horsy" for an hour was a BAD idea even if the kids had a blast. Ouch!
99 is a favorite vs anything but a bigger pocket pair. When you 3-bet the original raiser not only do you get control over the hand, but you also get information since many people will cap with AA/KK. (Be sure to take notes if you see their hand.) Someone playing a big ace or suited broadway from early possition is in a bad place - they have the weaker hand and are out of possition. Even if they have TT or JJ you might be able to steal from them if an over-card comes. If they don't have a pocket pair and are unimproved, most will fold to your flop or turn bet thus giving up a substantial part of their value vs your pocket pair. 99 vs AK is no... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JuneBride at May 29, 2006, 3:00 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | I was hoping you'd reply to this one, Dr. Strange, because I respect your advice & consider myself lucky to get it.
What limit do you play normally? (I am only asking so I can put your advice into that context, although if you have a similar screen name on one of the popular networks I might have played with you last night, lol.)
It's interesting to me that you prefer to play 99 heads-up, while I am more comfortable with playing them for set value multiway. But then, I put in an awful lot of time at microlimits before moving up, & obviously still have a lot of adapting to do. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at May 29, 2006, 2:40 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | Playing full ring limit, I'm reraising 99 in late possition vs an EP raiser. I do not want anyone else in the hand. The only way I might cold call is if there are lots of cold callers previous and even then I might raise. The only way I am folding those nines is if I had a high quality read on raiser as an uber-rock or if I am facing three bets cold. If I get capped by anyone after my reraise, I call but then I'm playing the nines for a set.
If an ace hits on the board, I am essentially done with the nines vs the normal types of players. I reraised to define people's hands. The ace kills my hand vs the hand ranges I expect to be against. However, there is a bluffing opportunity which I would take vs weak-tight or fit-or-fold players
In general, I'll raise with pocket nines from any possition vs a tight table. I want to take the blinds or play heads-up. If the table is loose, then I have to play the nines for set value and limp. 99 is very fragile multi-way, but sometimes you ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JuneBride at May 29, 2006, 2:24 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote:
I've cut down on playing FR and moved back to Short-handed - got sick of my AK being cold-called by pocket nines
lol. In the short-handed games I've played I've been more likely to get reraised by pocket nines. maybe this is what you meant (rather than cold-called). I've only played short -handed at lower limits, though. (Not comfortable enough yet at 2/4 to attempt it there yet.)
Quote:
Without a read on the initial raiser, there are too many extra considerations...Hands like that are -EV heads up for me in FR without more callers..., If I decide to play 'em, I'll tend to play them hard and it feels like I always run into high pockets
exactly. Love them multi-way; they're an easy play. I'm thinking I might begin folding in this situation though, at least for now. (Until I have better reads on these players, or until i become a better poker player, or something like that... anyhow thanks for the advice... makes sense to me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Wadaphuic at May 29, 2006, 1:39 pm | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | I've cut down on playing FR and moved back to Short-handed - got sick of my AK being cold-called by pocket nines
If I didn't have a read on the initial raiser, I'd fold pre-flop...
If i had a read on the raiser and decided to play middle pockets... I'd be raising somewhere... most certainly re-raise pre-flop... If the flop was rubbish, I'd see if there was a continuation bet and raise again - a rock will usually fold... unless...If it was checked to me on the flop, I'd bet out and if raised I'd probably fold...In my case It depends on what sort of player i'm against...
Without a read on the initial raiser, there are too many extra considerations...Hands like that are -EV heads up for me in FR without more callers..., If I decide to play 'em, I'll tend to play them hard and it feels like I always run into high pockets...some dudes just won't fold and will hit one of their 6 AK/AQ outs on the river...
There are posters with more knowledge than me...see what they h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JuneBride at May 29, 2006, 11:59 am | | Topic: 99 in LHE Forum: Bonus Whores | Just wondered how others handle pocket nines in LHE full ring games. Lately these have been tripping me up, especially on low board/raised pot situation with an unknown op who could have anything from AK/AQ no hits to bigger pocket pair. Say you're in late position with 99, person in ep raises pre-flop & everyone else folds. I call this ( but do not reraise, of course), & hope to god I'm up against AK & not bigger pockets. Flop comes out garbage, ep raiser of course bets. Anyone throw in a reraise here to get a read on op's hand?
Just for the record this is at 2/4 LHE, which I've only been playing for couple of months. This was never a problem hand for me in multiway pots at lower limits but I'm finding it difficult to play heads-up. | | Static Link |
|