| Posted by: Lvdonkey at June 29, 2006, 8:31 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I have plenty of hands in on B2B.. I will agree that a different kind of playing is required here. I play games other than holdem primarily. Most of those guys have absolutely no clue about pl 8/b. Stud is another really profitable game, I busted 5 people in one hand one time when I was rolled up. They love to call.. and love to bluff, always give them the opportunities, and you will experience a lot of variance here, due to many of them willing to chase their gutters for their stacks. It comes more to playing the players... not all of them are bluffing donkeys, some are callers, some are maniacs, etc.. If you got a hand, make one of the callers pay through the nose.. Overbet the pot sometimes, I've seen guys call 3x's pot with ace high. They like to call and see flops too.. so if you're out of position, make a healthy raise. If I know you're a tight bonus whore, and u raise out of your blinds for 3bb.. of course I'm gonna call with position hehe. Flop play is at a premium on these sites and judging f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: luckyfish at May 27, 2006, 1:17 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | quaggy wrote: You make a good point.
I can only put it down to playing emotionally after soooo many bad beats on that site.
Its almost like u look down at AA and think damn, its gotta be my time to beat this dipsticks.
I'm not familiar with 'Equity' could you explain, or direct me to a post .
Thanks
Equity is how much you will get of the pot, when you play the same situation millions of times.
Get Pokerstove (its free at www.pokerstove.com) and analyze your hands with it, it shows you the Equity for all situations, and can also analyze your Equity against a range of hands you put your Opponent on.
I was actually a bit off with my numbers (was at work and hadnt Pokerstove available):
Preflop: Your Equity = 87.1%
after Flop: Your Equity = 8.9% | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at May 26, 2006, 5:49 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thomashobbes21 wrote: thought i would let u guys know what a real bad beat it. 5-10 sh. UTG raies, i 3 bet QQ, button and BB call. flop is Qs9s9c. It gets capped one player drops, turn is Ac, it gets capped again. River brings an A, he bets I call, and he shows AJ for a boat. After I tell him his odds of winning that hand, and show my QQ, I am politely informed that my math is wrong beause he had 9 more outs to hit the flush. Thats right I am losing to guys that dont know what beats what
Bet you have him on your buddy list now though! Guess you will get it back if it wasn't a one-night stand.
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| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at May 26, 2006, 5:30 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | thought i would let u guys know what a real bad beat it. 5-10 sh. UTG raies, i 3 bet QQ, button and BB call. flop is Qs9s9c. It gets capped one player drops, turn is Ac, it gets capped again. River brings an A, he bets I call, and he shows AJ for a boat. After I tell him his odds of winning that hand, and show my QQ, I am politely informed that my math is wrong beause he had 9 more outs to hit the flush. Thats right I am losing to guys that dont know what beats what | | Static Link |
| Posted by: quaggy at May 26, 2006, 4:34 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | You make a good point.
I can only put it down to playing emotionally after soooo many bad beats on that site.
Its almost like u look down at AA and think damn, its gotta be my time to beat this dipsticks.
I'm not familiar with 'Equity' could you explain, or direct me to a post .
Thanks | | Static Link |
| Posted by: luckyfish at May 26, 2006, 6:45 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | quaggy wrote: I pick up AA, mid position and raise to $3.00
(6xBB raise should get rid of idiots holding junk - right?)
One caller.
Flop comes K,5,5
Money goes in...and the dumb-ass Swedish mofo
Shows down 10/5 off
Your opponent made a pretty dumb preflop call when he called 6BB with ~20% pot equity.
But you commited your entire stack (100BB?) on the flop when having only one pair with
~10% pot equity. I can hardly agree you played the hand much better than your opponent.
You have to avoid going broke with just a pair at these tables, and you will probably do fine. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: quaggy at May 25, 2006, 5:40 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Just like to echo the sentiments of this thread and state that B2B sucks c*ck
Worst site I ever played on.
Never played against (and lost) to such suck-out pigs
At times it just became unbelievable to say the least.
I mean after like the 5th suckout, tilt has to come into play.
I went down E200 playing .25/.50 NL
Final straw for me was this hand
I pick up AA, mid position and raise to $3.00
(6xBB raise should get rid of idiots holding junk - right?)
One caller.
Flop comes K,5,5
Money goes in...and the dumb-ass Swedish mofo
Shows down 10/5 off
I'm blowing off steam here, so if anyone takes exception to my criticism of either B2b or the great Swedish players therein
YOU CAN ALL S*CK MY ****
Peace out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at May 23, 2006, 8:05 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | tropicofcapricorn wrote: my two cents ... for NL the only thing that works on b2b is to play ultra-aggressive. bet and raise with utter crap. Fold to re-aggression if you don't have a monster, but otherwise continue betting and scoop all the small pots. this is coming from a conservative player who normally just sits back and waits for monsters on other networks. On b2b, it doesn't work. you get chipped away waiting for a big hand, and then when you get one, everyone folds. To play against the Euros, you have to bet constantly to keep them off of you.
I disagree, i only play fixed limit there now, but when I played NL there all I did was check and call. The strategy you suggest works well on passive tables like prima, but if you try that at 2-5 NL you will not win. When u hit a big hand dont be afraid to just check it, some guy at the table will put his money in. The only problem is if you have AK, and flop an Ace you got to be ready to put your whole stack in the middle because those E... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: tropicofcapricorn at May 23, 2006, 7:19 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | my two cents ... for NL the only thing that works on b2b is to play ultra-aggressive. bet and raise with utter crap. Fold to re-aggression if you don't have a monster, but otherwise continue betting and scoop all the small pots. this is coming from a conservative player who normally just sits back and waits for monsters on other networks. On b2b, it doesn't work. you get chipped away waiting for a big hand, and then when you get one, everyone folds. To play against the Euros, you have to bet constantly to keep them off of you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at May 20, 2006, 7:03 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Wow, just.... wow. I've been playing a lot of $1/$2NL lately there, and the play has been atrocious at that level too (I've lost my whole stack to people who called pot-sized bets to the river chasing gutshot draws with no overs), but I never figured it would stay that bad at the higher levels. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: luckyfish at May 18, 2006, 5:22 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | I just played some $2/4 NL on B2B at a 8-handed table and I have never seen such bad players playing these limits.
First hand i have QQ in MP and some guy before me minraises. Minraisng preflop seemed to be the standard raise at this table, so it didnt mean much.
I made it 6BB, everyone folded and other guy called.
Flop is 478 rainbow, he checks and calls my 2/3-pot-bet.
I was a bit worried now, but since i had only about a pot sized bet left i planned to stick it in on a non-scary turn.
Turn is a J which makes a straight possible, he checks and i decide to go allin anyway.
He instacalls and shows JTo. Luckily my Queens held up against his 9-outer.
Funny was the name of this guy: LowIQ (spot on!)
A couple of hands later another guy calls 22.5 BB (!) with JTo (seems to be the new nuts)on a AT3 board with 2 hearts against massive action from 2 other player, while getting just a bit more than 2:1 for the money and one of the other player being allin and the ot... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Penyeach at May 7, 2006, 5:45 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: It's french
Still, you must admin my english writing is pretty good for a second langage
I agree, your English composition isn't bad for a non-native speaker.
... but that's a moot point because your logic, reasoning and general thought processes are all so badly flawed. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at May 7, 2006, 8:59 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I have been playing SH limit on B2B a lot lately. Ive had mixed sessions at 2-4 trying to clear bonuses. EVentually I went up to 5-10 and 15-30. However, it seems Im the only american ever playing at theses tables. Dont get me wrong I love it, but for you whores who are having bad runs here, give those games a try. THey are very beatable so long as you are ready to take your 3rd pair to the river. And watch out for orky, he tends to hit every single had. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xaiviax at May 7, 2006, 6:36 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I need someone to figure out the odds someone 1) is in a plane crash, 2) survives the plane crash, and 3) goes on to win the Kentucky Derby. Because obviously the Derby is rigged now too. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at May 6, 2006, 8:45 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | It's french
Still, you must admin my english writing is pretty good for a second langage | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Wadaphuic at May 2, 2006, 6:58 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Edit..should have read more
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| Posted by: Wadaphuic at May 2, 2006, 6:48 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Edit...double post...
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| Posted by: Penyeach at April 27, 2006, 1:11 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Penyeach wrote: I didn't read the details of this thread, but where can I jump on the "it's rigged!" bandwagon? Count me in! Did you ever lose with aces? You have to lose with aces at least once.
Jay,
You're such an amateur. If you really knew what you were doing, you'd know to fold AA pre-flop on certain sites because hey, we know that on X, Y and Z aces are just going to lose anyway. You know, just like how it's right to chase gutshots on, say, PokerRoom, because they happen to hit a lot more there.
If you or anyone else needs help refining these strategies just let me know. I *do* teach privately. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2006, 12:34 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | The important part was this:
thunder2048 wrote: If AA is supposed to win lets say just for an example 70% of the time heads up, it means it wins 70% of the time it's called.
No.
No no no.
No. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at April 27, 2006, 12:24 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: (although I should note that you'll win 40% of the called 50%, not 20%... there's that strong math background again)
I hesitated for a few second about writing 20% meaning 20% of the total or 40% meaning 40% of the 50%. But ok, rereading my sentence, since I wrote "out of the 50%, ...", your right, I should have put the 40%. Although you're totally wrong about my math knowelge, you've proven you've read what I say correctly and I will consider this as an intelligent reply. I'm happy now.[/quote] | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2006, 12:01 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: Jay, I thought you were picking up your metal prices from the web and they automatically updated daily from the prior day's close. It you are doing that by hand, it seems there should be an easy way to it automaically either in your signature or image.
Don't ask me technical questions, I can't change a light bulb without the directions. For goodness sake don't take my technical advice. -=- DrStrange
No, I was just updating it when I felt like it. I usually have kitco.com either up in a window or quickly available
won't say more, as that would hijack this into a metals thread | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at April 27, 2006, 11:52 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay, I thought you were picking up your metal prices from the web and they automatically updated daily from the prior day's close. It you are doing that by hand, it seems there should be an easy way to it automaically either in your signature or image.
Don't ask me technical questions, I can't change a light bulb without the directions. For goodness sake don't take my technical advice. -=- DrStrange | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2006, 11:38 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: Plus, when you say I dont count hand that were not called, I did wrote you how many times I had each hands, so dont complain. If AA is supposed to win lets say just for an example 70% of the time heads up, it means if wins 70% of the time it's called, it does not mean people will fold it 50% of the time and out the other 50%, you'll win 20%.
Here is your problem.
(although I should note that you'll win 40% of the called 50%, not 20%... there's that strong math background again) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at April 27, 2006, 11:35 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Exactly as I wrote before, you guys only take the part you want and even modify the rest I say.
I said I have been really unlucky with AA, KK, QQ and TT, but I insist way more on big pocket vs big pocket way more. You guys were changed it to "He's lost aces 50%, he says it's rigged". Dont you realize how stupid those replies you made are???
If I would have told you I got KK 25 times and 23 of those were against AA and QQ once also against AA, you would tell me I'm ignorant becuase QQ vs AA once dosent mean anything.
But if you like to write stupid replies, go ahead, forget everything I wrote and speak only about that one specific hand where I lost AA. Or maybe you could also only write about that specific hand where I had KK and lost a flush against QQ, that would at least make a change.
Plus, when you say I dont count hand that were not called, I did wrote you how many times I had each hands, so dont complain. If AA is supposed to win lets say just f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at April 27, 2006, 11:18 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Penyeach wrote: I didn't read the details of this thread, but where can I jump on the "it's rigged!" bandwagon? Count me in! Did you ever lose with aces? You have to lose with aces at least once.
Don't lie! Aces never lose! NEVER!
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| Posted by: Dead_Baby_Jesus at April 27, 2006, 4:40 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Penyeach wrote: I didn't read the details of this thread, but where can I jump on the "it's rigged!" bandwagon? Count me in! Did you ever lose with aces? You have to lose with aces at least once.
Hell, If that's all it takes, then I guess I built the wagons wheels! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at April 27, 2006, 3:29 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | Penyeach wrote: I didn't read the details of this thread, but where can I jump on the "it's rigged!" bandwagon? Count me in! Did you ever lose with aces? You have to lose with aces at least once. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Penyeach at April 26, 2006, 11:31 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | | I didn't read the details of this thread, but where can I jump on the "it's rigged!" bandwagon? Count me in! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jay at April 26, 2006, 3:14 am | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote:
Yes I do know exactly what you talk about, I'm 90% sure I've done way more science study than you (2 year of college in science + 4.5 year of university in engeneering).
You REALLY want to go there?
Because I can't speak for Polly, but I'm 100% sure you've "done way less science study" than I have.
And I could do statistics calculations before any of that. What kind of school did you go to where you could have 6.5 years of study without learning math?
And do you really think that because someone folds to your AA, that somehow doesn't count? This is easily the worst conspiracy thread in history. AA won three times and lost to J8 the fourth time (nothing to do with your play, or overvaluing AA after the flop, I'm sure.. you do know there's a "fold" button, right?). KK won twice (once to JJ), but lost once to QQ (again, never fold.. it shows weakness)
Oh no!!!!! Everyone jump on the site and collect more ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at April 25, 2006, 4:41 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | I've seen a few bad suckouts from my play there recently, but I've also sucked out myself a few times, so it all seems to be balancing out. Not that it takes the sting out of losing a €250 stack when you go all-in on the turn with my set of Kings vs. his set of Tens, only to see the case Ten land on the river, but meh - that's just shitty variance for ya. (Of course, 5 hands later I busted a person when I went all-in on the flop with AA against their flopped set of 4's, only to river my 2-outer. *shrug*)
In my limited NL experience, the players there ARE bad, no doubt about it. You have to grit your teeth and hang on, and I've also become more comfortable with shoving all-in when I wanted the other player to just go away. (And before the more experienced players chime in - YES, I know that's the wrong approach, and I'm working on it. ) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at April 25, 2006, 4:26 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: Ahh -- maybe a couple more years of science wouldn't have hurt. You don't need 10,000 to compute variance and sigma of the event you're claiming to have taken place with some regularity. If your queens run into an overpair often enough for you to whine about it, your sample size should be sufficient for computation.
But go on -- impress me with your credentials some more.
-- Polly
You really should start considering either rereading the whole thread (at least the part I wrote) or stop replying.
1st: You have no idea about my knowledge so stop talking about it.
2nd: It's more than time you understand I was asking for more stats, not complaining about a bad beat. I've been telling that in almost every post starting from my 2nd post:
Quote: I can't say it's rigged, but it really looks bad... I dont look for moral support here (or to someone to tell me to play stupidely to make money). I look for either more data to proo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at April 25, 2006, 4:12 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: Quote: I'm just jealous of you NL players. In fact I'm going to have to start playing NL ring just to have a pop at these bonuses.
Only played at Hey Poker up to now, and hardly got started because of the lack of FL at .5/1 and 1/2 - I don't like 1-tabling at one site and playing at another at the same time because of the different styles required, so I let it slide. I signed up because of the freeroll earlier in the year, but missed most of the bonus due to lack of FL.
Not that many hands, but I would play B2B at the drop of hat if I knew I could get regular FL action.
Well honestly, if you have played a lot a fixed limit, the switch to NL (at least, for the small limits) isint extremely hard. You just have to develop the agression concept of NL. It would be more adjustement to play real good NL, but if you're ready to start at the bottom (like the 0.10$/0.25$ tables), it's not so hard. You already know most of the important concepts (... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at April 25, 2006, 4:11 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: Quote: We don't need to check anything.
Take the number of hands, take the number of occurences of QQ and calculate the Sigma of how many times you ran into an overpair. It's a fairly straight forward calculation and will prove without a shadow of a doubt if the site is rigged. Why not do your own due dilligemce?
Oh wait -- I bet you don't understand what I am talking about. Allrighty then. You can just carry on with the complaining. Prob easier that way.
-- Polly
Yes I do know exactly what you talk about, I'm 90% sure I've done way more science study than you (2 year of college in science + 4.5 year of university in engeneering).
Why dont I do it myself... As I've said a few times before if you took the time to read, I dont really want to play another 10 000 hands on a site to have enough data without having more to tell me it's fair.
You wan tto send me your poker tracker database or hand history ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at April 25, 2006, 4:04 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: I'm just jealous of you NL players. In fact I'm going to have to start playing NL ring just to have a pop at these bonuses.
Only played at Hey Poker up to now, and hardly got started because of the lack of FL at .5/1 and 1/2 - I don't like 1-tabling at one site and playing at another at the same time because of the different styles required, so I let it slide. I signed up because of the freeroll earlier in the year, but missed most of the bonus due to lack of FL.
Not that many hands, but I would play B2B at the drop of hat if I knew I could get regular FL action.
Well honestly, if you have played a lot a fixed limit, the switch to NL (at least, for the small limits) isint extremely hard. You just have to develop the agression concept of NL. It would be more adjustement to play real good NL, but if you're ready to start at the bottom (like the 0.10$/0.25$ tables), it's not so hard. You already know most of the important concepts (hand value, pod odds, etc).... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at April 25, 2006, 3:39 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm just jealous of you NL players. In fact I'm going to have to start playing NL ring just to have a pop at these bonuses.
Only played at Hey Poker up to now, and hardly got started because of the lack of FL at .5/1 and 1/2 - I don't like 1-tabling at one site and playing at another at the same time because of the different styles required, so I let it slide. I signed up because of the freeroll earlier in the year, but missed most of the bonus due to lack of FL.
Not that many hands, but I would play B2B at the drop of hat if I knew I could get regular FL action.
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| Posted by: thunder2048 at April 25, 2006, 2:59 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: We don't need to check anything.
Take the number of hands, take the number of occurences of QQ and calculate the Sigma of how many times you ran into an overpair. It's a fairly straight forward calculation and will prove without a shadow of a doubt if the site is rigged. Why not do your own due dilligemce?
Oh wait -- I bet you don't understand what I am talking about. Allrighty then. You can just carry on with the complaining. Prob easier that way.
-- Polly
Yes I do know exactly what you talk about, I'm 90% sure I've done way more science study than you (2 year of college in science + 4.5 year of university in engeneering).
Why dont I do it myself... As I've said a few times before if you took the time to read, I dont really want to play another 10 000 hands on a site to have enough data without having more to tell me it's fair.
You wan tto send me your poker tracker database or hand history (if you've played on the B2... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: PollyAmory at April 25, 2006, 2:44 pm | | Topic: B2B Strategy? Forum: Bonus Whores | We don't need to check anything.
Take the number of hands, take the number of occurences of QQ and calculate the Sigma of how many times you ran into an overpair. It's a fairly straight forward calculation and will prove without a shadow of a doubt if the site is rigged. Why not do your own due dilligemce?
Oh wait -- I bet you don't understand what I am talking about. Allrighty then. You can just carry on with the complaining. Prob easier that way.
-- Polly
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