| Posted by: moo321 at July 17, 2006, 3:09 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | | It's a psychological ploy, designed to fuck with the person as much as win their money (although I think it is just about as +EV to push as to do anything else). It also allows you to push on another hand when you hold a set, and the guy (or other players) will think "wtf, why does this guy keep pushing" and then call with top pair. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: luckyfish at July 15, 2006, 2:17 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | I dont like pushing this flop at all. If you want to get your money in then i think making a normal raise like 4$ and the pushing if you get reraised is much better.
Why that? Lets first consider which hands he probably calls a push with and calculate our equity for these:
Certainly any made str8 ( your average equity is 39.2%)
Certainly any set (,eq = 31.5%)
almost certainly any 2 pair (eq = 50%)
Probably big pairs AA,KK (eq= 48.7%)
Maybe other overpairs QQ,JJ (eq= 47.7%)
very maybe AT (eq=51.7%)
maybe some big draws like KsJs which will be rare and should be about breaking even
So when you move in right now you probably be slightly +EV because you will often win the pot right there and not doing too bad the few times you get called.
But almost all of these calling hands are very good candidates for a 3-Bet by your opponent.
So when you make a normal raise he will still fold many times (and this makes no difference to pushing). So... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrStrange at July 15, 2006, 8:36 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | Moo, what's the point of betting $65 into a $2 pot? Its unlikely that I will get called by any hand worse than mine (or most hands that are better for that matter). The rare times I do get called, I expect to be way behind. Overbetting the pot is a great strategy when done at the right times (see river bet from this hand).
I think I made an error not raising here but I am having a hard time seeing what good I accomplish betting $65 rather than betting $5 or $10.
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| Posted by: moo321 at July 15, 2006, 1:31 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: There is only $1 in the pot preflop plus a dollar bet by Villian. I can't see risking my stack hoping to win $2 with a push. I think a raise to $4 might be more appropriate. At least that way I can better define the Villian's hand without undue risk. Plus, that bet might let me take a free card if the turn is a blank.
DrStrange
I think this is the perfect opportunity to change gears. You're really only behind against a set. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at July 15, 2006, 12:26 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | There is only $1 in the pot preflop plus a dollar bet by Villian. I can't see risking my stack hoping to win $2 with a push. I think a raise to $4 might be more appropriate. At least that way I can better define the Villian's hand without undue risk. Plus, that bet might let me take a free card if the turn is a blank.
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| Posted by: Mikke_ at July 14, 2006, 4:42 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | I guess you wish you had re-raised the flop bet though - but I also guess this thread wouldn't have started in that case!
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| Posted by: DrStrange at July 14, 2006, 4:28 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | I like to think things through on a board where a single card could make the nuts. This situtaion is a lot more like the last bet in a 5-stud game than a hold'em game. So there would be no 'call in a heart beat' unless I held the nuts.
I had never seen this player make a big over-bet before. I also never saw him make a 'stop-n-go' play either. (keep in mind I keep extensive player notes) I think the most plausible villain hand is the flushing ace though I also could imagine he hit the straight or even slow played a worse flush.
It was a fine bet by the villian and he won the pot - even if he didn't have the best cards.
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| Posted by: ajk123 at July 14, 2006, 1:00 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: *** Results ***
Hero folds to Villian's river bet. Villian did not show
DrStrange
good thread. i think you made the right lay down based on your read of the player (and since we can't see the cards, that's really all we have here, right?). If he was just slightly a little more of a maniac, you'd call in a heartbeat, correct? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DrStrange at July 13, 2006, 5:58 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | A few more thought to stir the pot . . . .
The villian is a 16% VP%iP, 2% PFR player. His only preflop raise came on AA. I didn't read his faiure to raise preflop as any sign of hand quality. I think his hand range is virtually undefined based on his preflop call. Perhaps that is a reason to raise?
Luckyfish is right about the flop being quite good for the Hero's hand. Villian is agressive and prone to bluffs. His $1 raise doesn't say much about his hand. Here too, perhaps a raise is in order? At the time I thought I was being sneaky . . . . opps
After the turn bet, raise and call - - I have been trying to put villian on a hand. It seems likely the villian would reraise if he had two-pair or better. If the villian has garbage, it seems likely he would fold. The only sort of hand I can imagine is a drawing hand - either <As x> or <Js Q> or <Js 8>. <As x> is even more compelling if x = 9 or T giving villian top or second pair plus the nut dr... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: luckyfish at July 13, 2006, 4:06 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | I would probably raise preflop here, you have a hand which is not too bad heads-up, your opponent showed no strength at all with completing and you will have position on him, so even when you get called you can probably steal the pot from him on many flops.
The flop is about the best you can hope for, middle pair plus a flush draw, so i will definitely
make a big raise (to about $4) on the flop to build a pot. You are heads up, so there is quite a decent chance that you are already ahead, and even if not you have lots of outs.
The size of the turn raise seems quite nice, because he doesnt get the pot-odds to call you with the lone As, but many players at this level will call you anyway.
The river is an easy fold for me. I have seen many players at these levels who like to make strange overbets with the nuts, and his play so far seems to be consistent with having the As (though most players probably would have raised preflop with it, but he seems to need a quite strong ha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rickjr82 at July 13, 2006, 12:19 am | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | looks like an easy call its a blind battle and you have the second nuts, thats why we have bankrolls. I probably get it all in there and try to get his last $11. The last 2 times a similar situation came up but these were in raised pots:
***** Hand History for Game 4701095859 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, July 10, 20:56:35 ET 2006
Table Table 109823 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: Kill_U_Alive ( $141.28 )
Seat 3: imagiver ( $162.60 )
Seat 1: DevilsFriend ( $102.55 )
Seat 2: leo8858 ( $57.45 )
Kill_U_Alive posts small blind [$0.25].
leo8858 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to imagiver [ Qd As ]
imagiver raises [$2].
Kill_U_Alive folds.
leo8858 raises [$6].
imagiver calls [$4.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 6d, Qs ]
leo8858 bets [$10].
imagiver calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
leo8858 checks.
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| Posted by: thomashobbes21 at July 12, 2006, 10:32 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | This is a tough call to make. When you are replaying the hand after the river hits I would ask myself if villian is going to call a pot bet merely on a draw with onl one card to come. While several players make the call, its not really a winning play which would be my first reason to justify a river call. My initial read is that villian probably put you on a strong hand on turn and you were trying to protect it from a river flush. To justify this call you have to be right 3 out of 4 times, so the math probably dictates a fold; however, I would stick with my read and out villian on maybee top pair 3rd flush and pay him off.
Did you call strange, and if so what did he have? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at July 12, 2006, 7:08 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | DrStrange wrote: I have doubts about this hand at each decision, I'd like to hear other thoughts.
Playing 50NL at Party.
Hero is BB with $73. Stats for the evening are 16/5/3.3 with 56% total agression over 62 hands
Villian is SB with $64. Stats are 17/2/3.7 with 65% total agression over 48 hands
(keep in mind aggression stats for less than 100 hands are not very reliable.)
Hero is dealt Qs 9s
The hand is folded to Villian in SB, who calls. Hero calls ($1 in pot, 2 players)
Flop is <9d Ts 6s>
Villian bets $1, Hero calls ($3 in pot, 2 players)
Turn is <9d Ts 6s> <2s>
Villain bets $2, Hero raises to $7, Villian calls ($17 in pot, 2 players)
River is <9d Ts 6s> <2s> <Ks>
Villian bets $45, Hero ??? (Villian still has $11 left) (villian has never made this type of over bet at any street previously.)
I would have raised the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrStrange at July 12, 2006, 6:53 pm | | Topic: battle of the blinds at Party 50NL Forum: Bonus Whores | I have doubts about this hand at each decision, I'd like to hear other thoughts.
Playing 50NL at Party.
Hero is BB with $73. Stats for the evening are 16/5/3.3 with 56% total agression over 62 hands
Villian is SB with $64. Stats are 17/2/3.7 with 65% total agression over 48 hands
(keep in mind aggression stats for less than 100 hands are not very reliable.)
Hero is dealt Qs 9s
The hand is folded to Villian in SB, who calls. Hero calls ($1 in pot, 2 players)
Flop is <9d Ts 6s>
Villian bets $1, Hero calls ($3 in pot, 2 players)
Turn is <9d Ts 6s> <2s>
Villain bets $2, Hero raises to $7, Villian calls ($17 in pot, 2 players)
River is <9d Ts 6s> <2s> <Ks>
Villian bets $45, Hero ??? (Villian still has $11 left) (villian has never made this type of over bet at any street previously.) | | Static Link |
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