| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 13, 2006, 6:17 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | | Indeed, chasing draws goes both ways. It's great to make it unprofitable for your opponents in NL, but it's equally great to be able to profitably draw to the nut flush in limit - even more awesome when you have enough opponents to pad it on the flop. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at September 13, 2006, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: why not come over to the dark side? Pl/NL is so much easier. I dont have the long losing streaks or periods of self doubt like I did during some limit purgatory stretches. I might not even be bald today if i had started out NL sooner.
I have been playing NL a lot and I still do A LOT, 99.5% of my play if not more is NL, but... I have 1 real good reason go learn limit... BONUS!!! Without considering prior knoweldge, for a newbie who starts to learn, it's way easier to be able to learn to survive at 2$/4$ limit than at NL 400$, plus bankroll variations will be way less. But still, 2$/4$ clear almost the same on almost every poker room.
So what I would like is continue my NL on sites I can have a good edge on players and make good profit on hands, but for those sites where profit on hands is not much, limit might be the way get way better $/h because of bonus clearing so fast!
Plus, you never know when you'll find a site (or even a casino) where NL players ar... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at September 13, 2006, 4:22 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Thunder: I'm always around. This forum went through a rash of NL/PL questions/scenarios that I was unqualified to answer, so I have just been reading and enjoying.
I love Limit, but there are days it can truly test your patience.
No kidding!
I'm currently playing NL with the $12+ I had at Paradise after I had to hit the pub after the last 24 hours. Don't trust myself to play higher at the moment!
But it'll be OK in the morning.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 13, 2006, 3:41 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | Thunder: I'm always around. This forum went through a rash of NL/PL questions/scenarios that I was unqualified to answer, so I have just been reading and enjoying.
I love Limit, but there are days it can truly test your patience. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mikke_ at September 13, 2006, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | HeelHo wrote: why not come over to the dark side? Pl/NL is so much easier. I dont have the long losing streaks or periods of self doubt like I did during some limit purgatory stretches. I might not even be bald today if i had started out NL sooner.
I'm starting to believe........ I almost thought that onlike poker was rigged for more than rake the last two days after the x-teenth river suckout.
I've put a few $s aside for the PL/NL learning experience.
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| Posted by: HeelHo at September 13, 2006, 1:18 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | why not come over to the dark side? Pl/NL is so much easier. I dont have the long losing streaks or periods of self doubt like I did during some limit purgatory stretches. I might not even be bald today if i had started out NL sooner.
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| Posted by: thunder2048 at September 13, 2006, 1:02 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | Well, playing on big multiway pot is not that hard, I would say my answers are aimed at flop % around 30-40.
p.s. Alphaunit1, I'm happy to see you again, you've been really helping me getting my limit better with my last pack of questions | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 12, 2006, 3:44 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | If I drop down to play 1/2 at a tight network, I have a tendency to become a total LAG. Easily 50/40/4+..... it can be quite fun, but the bankroll can sure take a hit if you don't get lucky while doing it. Of course, it has the wonderful side effect of loosening the hell out of just about any table I do it at. - which is, of course, the whole point. Loose tables = more raked hands = faster bonus clearance.
EDIT: Indeed, I'm helping somebody right now with those issues playing at sites like Crypto/Prima. The game requires a more aggressive preflop strategy to do well at. Not enough loose/passive players. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at September 12, 2006, 3:40 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: The differences between these two games are really huge, and it makes a big bit of difference how I play my hands.
No kidding. On the cryptos sites I'd get crushed (and HAVE been crushed) playing that loosely on 1/2. Way too many isolation raises flying around. Same thing can be said for Stars though it's not that tight per se, just more aggressive.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at September 12, 2006, 3:37 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: Thanks a lot for your reply RobDoral. About question 8, I made a mistake, I meant open-raise, not open-limp. Also, where do you think is the best place to play without considering bonus?
If I'm going to get callers behind me I don't really like raising with 77 or 88 but I like late MP where it's not an obvious blind steal or earlier if the table has shown a tendency to fold to raises.
Play without a bonus? Whaaaaa???? At your limits I'd say Paradise but I'm really not all that familiar with the range of .5/1 and 1/2 play anymore. It just seems to me that Paradise offers decent table selection options and isn't full of tight multitablers. But you can't take notes effectively which is a big negative for me. I prefer the ongame network but the rake structure is bad enough that you should never play without a bonus (with a bonus it's fine and bonuses and reloads are so plentiful that I've never had to play without one in the last two years).
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 12, 2006, 2:46 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | | I'm not going to piggyback on Rob's good post. Can you give us an idea of what table conditions you are looking at? Rob made some assumptions, but those are limits where you have fairly standard (3-4 people/flop) and crazy (5-8 people/flop) games. The differences between these two games are really huge, and it makes a big bit of difference how I play my hands. From there, I can make suggestions based on a table of "unknown" opponents. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RobDoral at September 12, 2006, 1:58 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | thunder2048 wrote: Assume 0.50$/1$ or 1$/2$ Full Ring Limit.
This is kind of a tricky parameter because some sites can be fairly tight even at those limits but I'd say in general you're dealing with a fairly loose game which may be passive or wild with 4-6 players seeing the flop regularly.
thunder2048 wrote: 1- Starting at what position do you open-raise with 99? TT? JJ? AQo? AQs? If I'm first in, I'll typically raise with all of those hands. I like to raise with a lot of other hands first in as well but on tables where people actually fold. I also like to raise in late position against a couple of weak limps with suited connectors. However, if I know I'm going to have 3-4 callers or more despite the raise I'll tend to limp with 99, TT, and AQ, playing the pairs for set value (though I will vary this a bit if I think players are paying enough attention to pick up betting patterns).
thunder2048 wrote: 2- If someone already open raised fro... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: thunder2048 at September 12, 2006, 12:05 pm | | Topic: Questions to Full Ring Limit professionnals Forum: Bonus Whores | I'm finally starting to be a pretty good limit player, but I would really need your advice to put me on the right track. I mostly have difficulty at playing AQ, 99, TT, JJ and maybe would need a bit of adjustements on the blinds. I have Poker tracker and PokerAceHud, so when it's possible, I'll adjust to the data I have on the player, but I would need to know the basic play against an unknown player (or someone who just sits at the tabel and you've never seen before or ...) Assume 0.50$/1$ or 1$/2$ Full Ring Limit.
1- Starting at what position do you open-raise with 99? TT? JJ? AQo? AQs?
2- If someone already open raised from early position, what do you do from Middle position with 99? TT? JJ? AQs? AQo?
3- Same as question 2, but with an open raise from early position, a cold caller and you are in late position.
4- Against 2 limpers, on the small blinds, I guess you play suited connectors starting at 45s? Do you play 1 gap suited connectors, if yes, sta... | | Read Entire Entry |
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