| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at September 23, 2006, 1:10 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote:
Now of course you need to put this into perspective. At 1-2 NL (NL200) a loss of $450 isn't a bad run. It could be a bad hour. I've certainly won or lost more than $450 in an hour before multitabling NL200. It's 2 buy ins. It happens.
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| Posted by: Montana.T at September 20, 2006, 9:48 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote: Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #996,503,849
Table Shiraz, 13 Sep 2006 8:32 PM ET
Seat 1: x($67.50 in chips)
Seat 2: x ($71.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Thief ($96.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ME [ QH,QD ] ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 5: x ($90.70 in chips)
Seat 6: x ($13.70 in chips)
Seat 7: JAGOFF ($46.40 in chips)
Seat 8: x ($50.10 in chips)
Seat 9: x ($110.10 in chips)
Seat 10: x ($167.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Seat 6 posts blind ($0.50), JAGOFF posts blind ($1).
PRE-FLOP
ALL Fold, Thief bets $4, Me calls $4, fold, fold, JAGOFF calls $3.
FLOP [board cards 8D,QC,AC ]
JAGOFF checks, Thief bets $8, Me calls $8, JAGOFF bets $20, Thief bets $43, Me calls $35.50 and is all-in, JAGOFF calls $22.40 and is all-in.
TURN [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C ]
RIVER [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C,10H ]
SHOWDOWN
Thief shows [ JH,AH ]
Me shows [ QH,QD ]
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at September 16, 2006, 1:41 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote: No no, Mike. I'm just playing around; I know you didn't call me a bitch. I just thought that it was a little counterintuitive, the idea of my being unconfident and gunshy, and the advice was to buy in for more.
With my advice Max the idea was not to buy in for more, but to drop down to the level where your buy in of (50.00 at the 100 NL ) was the max buy in at the 50NL level.
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| Posted by: maxcavsm at September 16, 2006, 6:30 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | No no, Mike. I'm just playing around; I know you didn't call me a bitch. I just thought that it was a little counterintuitive, the idea of my being unconfident and gunshy, and the advice was to buy in for more.
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at September 15, 2006, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote: Hmm...so the advice went from "Have to raise those big hands" to "Stop being such a bitch and play a full stack". Lol.
And that hand was poorly played? You would have done something different? Yeah, so I got caught 1) slowplaying and 2) not being confident and reraising a big pocket pair. With the way things were going, I wanted to try to get as much money out of it as possible with two callers.
Well, blah. We can Monday morning quarterback all day. Got a little bit of confidence (and money) back last night at Pokerstars; it was good to switch up sites for a bit. But have to keep grinding. Just too many bonuses to clear right now.
I don't reckon I called you a bitch at any point. You asked if players could smell weakness on you. I told you why you looked weak -- both the way you bought in and the way you played the hand. I thought that was an answer to the question. If you don't agree with my assessment, so be it.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at September 15, 2006, 12:58 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | AceM wrote: mike_m235 wrote: Understand that when you buy in for half a stack at a NL game, you're putting a sign on that says "take my money." That may not be the case, but that's what you're advertising.
Good to see you back here in the Strategy forum, Ace.
Seriously.
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| Posted by: maxcavsm at September 15, 2006, 12:42 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Montana,
Okay, so what I'm taking from this is:
Preflop:
Should have reraised.
Flop:
Should have reraised, hoping to push out the blind caller? I think after he saw the flop though, if he's willing to bet 3BB into suited connectors, and he was willing to bet with a middle flush draw like that, I have a feeling he would have either chased or reraised all in.
Now, I understand the concepts here. But the title of this thread (and yes, I am getting beaten across all three posts for having posted the history all three times; lesson learned) is "Rebuilding Confidence", and it was all about my playing weakly, hoping to see flops cheaply, and then hoping like hell to flop a medium sized monster on the flop. Seeing as I thought I was good, I tried to slow play a bit to recoup the mass amount of stack damage I was taking. Well, I got what I wanted: Later position reraised, and I got to go all in.
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| Posted by: andrew26 at September 15, 2006, 9:10 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | RobDoral wrote: When you're on a losing streak it's almost like you say to yourself, I've flopped a monster, now what sort of retarded shit is going to beat me THIS time? When you play expecting to lose you usually do, and I swear the other players start to sense this too and start looking you up rather than laying it down when they should.
Yes. I agree completely. When you are running bad, it seems to compound itself.
Last night I had my worst night in recent memory... lost $300 in about 4 hours. It wasn't just one or two dramatic hands, either. It was a slow drain of big draws not getting there, second bests, good starting hands crapping out on the flop, and a few suckouts thrown in for good measure.
I know it will even out and I know that long term I am a big winner. Enduring the bad streaks does test even the most solid resolve.
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| Posted by: Montana.T at September 15, 2006, 9:00 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote: Hmm...so the advice went from "Have to raise those big hands" to "Stop being such a bitch and play a full stack". Lol.
And that hand was poorly played? You would have done something different? Yeah, so I got caught 1) slowplaying and 2) not being confident and reraising a big pocket pair. With the way things were going, I wanted to try to get as much money out of it as possible with two callers.
Well, blah. We can Monday morning quarterback all day. Got a little bit of confidence (and money) back last night at Pokerstars; it was good to switch up sites for a bit. But have to keep grinding. Just too many bonuses to clear right now.
Marx.... if your gonna fucking post the same hand three tiems at least take some fucking advice! You played the hand BADLY at every stage of the hand ... if your posting just for cry value, then so be it, if your posting for advice, then take it ..
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| Posted by: maxcavsm at September 15, 2006, 7:51 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Hmm...so the advice went from "Have to raise those big hands" to "Stop being such a bitch and play a full stack". Lol.
And that hand was poorly played? You would have done something different? Yeah, so I got caught 1) slowplaying and 2) not being confident and reraising a big pocket pair. With the way things were going, I wanted to try to get as much money out of it as possible with two callers.
Well, blah. We can Monday morning quarterback all day. Got a little bit of confidence (and money) back last night at Pokerstars; it was good to switch up sites for a bit. But have to keep grinding. Just too many bonuses to clear right now.
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at September 14, 2006, 4:29 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | I agree that some players can pull it off but its a style that just doesnt appeal to me. I see some people sit down and run up a short buy in, but like you said, most of the ones I see buy in for under 1/3 of the buy in and just keep reloading like morons.
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| Posted by: AceM at September 14, 2006, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: Understand that when you buy in for half a stack at a NL game, you're putting a sign on that says "take my money." That may not be the case, but that's what you're advertising.
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at September 14, 2006, 3:51 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Danieljeans wrote: mike_m235 wrote: Understand that when you buy in for half a stack at a NL game, you're putting a sign on that says "take my money." That may not be the case, but that's what you're advertising.
I agree. To me it shows a player who is not confident in his abilities.
I have heard that Miller and Sklansky talk about the benefits of buying in with a shorter stack which I say is hogwash. Of course, just my opinion but you will not see me sitting there with a half stack playing No Limit.
It can be played profitably. But in my experience, the guys I see, maybe one in 20 at NL100 is playing a good short stack, one in 10 at NL200. I'm willing to take the risk that the guy I'm looking at when I first sit down probably isn't that one guy.
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at September 14, 2006, 3:44 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | mike_m235 wrote: Understand that when you buy in for half a stack at a NL game, you're putting a sign on that says "take my money." That may not be the case, but that's what you're advertising.
I agree. To me it shows a player who is not confident in his abilities.
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| Posted by: mike_m235 at September 14, 2006, 3:38 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Understand that when you buy in for half a stack at a NL game, you're putting a sign on that says "take my money." That may not be the case, but that's what you're advertising.
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| Posted by: AceM at September 14, 2006, 1:11 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote: Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #996,503,849
Table Shiraz, 13 Sep 2006 8:32 PM ET
Seat 1: x($67.50 in chips)
Seat 2: x ($71.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Thief ($96.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ME [ QH,QD ] ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 5: x ($90.70 in chips)
Seat 6: x ($13.70 in chips)
Seat 7: JAGOFF ($46.40 in chips)
Seat 8: x ($50.10 in chips)
Seat 9: x ($110.10 in chips)
Seat 10: x ($167.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Seat 6 posts blind ($0.50), JAGOFF posts blind ($1).
PRE-FLOP
ALL Fold, Thief bets $4, Me calls $4, fold, fold, JAGOFF calls $3.
FLOP [board cards 8D,QC,AC ]
JAGOFF checks, Thief bets $8, Me calls $8, JAGOFF bets $20, Thief bets $43, Me calls $35.50 and is all-in, JAGOFF calls $22.40 and is all-in.
TURN [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C ]
RIVER [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C,10H ]
SHOWDOWN
Thief shows [ JH,AH ]
Me shows [ QH,QD ]
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| Posted by: Danieljeans at September 14, 2006, 12:12 pm | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Montana said it best: "Part of the problem of "playing scared" is that you dont raise your hands"cos you'll only lose" then you let people in and they catch, then you lose. "
That is so dead on!
Also one part of your post Max was that you sit with $50.00 at that 100 NL table because the bonus clears faster. You are paying 50% more per 100 hands in blinds just to clear a bonus? I would think that you should just play poker, and the bonus is just that, "a bonus" but it shouldnt be making you play in games where you are not getting the most out of your money or poker skills.
If you are good at the game, you are going to win more times than not, and the bonus will clear itself. Maybe just play poker, not even thinking about the bonus. Who cares if it takes a longer period to clear.
If it means buying in with the max and getting the most out of your good poker hands by doubling up and paying a decent blind ratio, what is wrong... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Montana.T at September 14, 2006, 11:47 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | You didnt raise QQ to a minum bet and let someone catch with 67c .. if you let them in, they will win. Granted once 67c saw a two club flop, he wasnt going anywhere!
Part of the problem of "playing scared" is that you dont raise your hands"cos you'll only lose" then you let people in and they catch, then you lose.
cycle, rinse and repeat.
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| Posted by: maxcavsm at September 14, 2006, 6:53 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Rob,
Agreed. My biggest win to date was Ongame over at Bayou Poker for $600 on top of a $500 bonus. And then with this windfall over at Pokerloco, I was starting to feel good about Pokerroom and it's skins again and BOOM.
Definately helpful advice. It's not like I'm going to quit playing or anything, but damnit...
Mike,
The half stack is the way I've played on most of my sites. It's the limit that I'm comfortable with. I'd play 50NL, but the bonus clears faster at 100NL because they take $1 max rake out at 50, while at 100 they take $2. Not to mention, I hate to spend 2500+ hands clearing a $100 bonus on a site when I can lose the entire bonus on hand #2499. I know, I know, I could WIN that much on that hand too, and it was nice being able to push a stack in and dominating the short stackers...but...well, especially right now....
I'm not sure why it's saying it's at 1-2NL, when it was at .50/1 NL. That's weird.
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| Posted by: RobDoral at September 14, 2006, 6:39 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | maxcavsm wrote:
ANYWAY, complaining aside. A few questions:
1) Seeing that I was UP $450 at Pokerloco and now I'm down $450 at Pokerroom, and that they're both Ongame sites...Just weird...it almost feels like the tables are trying to get the money back they lost. Does anyone else have any weird stories about these sites?
(I can't believe I'm asking about site jinxes...)
2) You get beat down after awhile, nothing seems to win. You're on a bad run, and no hand short of quads (three times on the flop since starting SILVER; weird) makes you feel like you'll have the best hand by the flop. What do you do to build your confidence back? Switch sites/bonuses? Take a step away from the tables until you can't take it anymore and just HAVE to get back? Break things? Claw at your own face? Break your monitor? Punch things?
I've won the most money on Ongame sites, but I've also gone bust twice now playing mostly Ongame sites (though I sped it along the second ti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: mike_m235 at September 14, 2006, 5:34 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Part of the problem when you're on a bad run is that yeah, people can smell the losing on you. Or more appropriately they have stats on you as a loser, even if you aren't making losing plays. So they are much more likely to play back against you.
You can see this in action in reverse if you ever watch the play at a table once you've doubled up or more. All of a sudden people are laying down to your continuation bets a lot more than they used to.
With that said, sometimes we let bad luck affect our play. I used to do this a lot without realizing it. I'd take a couple bad beats, then I'd compound it with subconsciously bad play and turn a bad night into a disaster.
Now of course you need to put this into perspective. At 1-2 NL (NL200) a loss of $450 isn't a bad run. It could be a bad hour. I've certainly won or lost more than $450 in an hour before multitabling NL200. It's 2 buy ins. It happens.
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| Posted by: maxcavsm at September 14, 2006, 4:40 am | | Topic: Rebuilding Confidence Forum: Bonus Whores | Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #996,503,849
Table Shiraz, 13 Sep 2006 8:32 PM ET
Seat 1: x($67.50 in chips)
Seat 2: x ($71.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Thief ($96.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ME [ QH,QD ] ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 5: x ($90.70 in chips)
Seat 6: x ($13.70 in chips)
Seat 7: JAGOFF ($46.40 in chips)
Seat 8: x ($50.10 in chips)
Seat 9: x ($110.10 in chips)
Seat 10: x ($167.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Seat 6 posts blind ($0.50), JAGOFF posts blind ($1).
PRE-FLOP
ALL Fold, Thief bets $4, Me calls $4, fold, fold, JAGOFF calls $3.
FLOP [board cards 8D,QC,AC ]
JAGOFF checks, Thief bets $8, Me calls $8, JAGOFF bets $20, Thief bets $43, Me calls $35.50 and is all-in, JAGOFF calls $22.40 and is all-in.
TURN [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C ]
RIVER [board cards 8D,QC,AC,5C,10H ]
SHOWDOWN
Thief shows [ JH,AH ]
Me shows [ QH,QD ]
JAGOFF shows [ 6C,7C ]
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