| Posted by: Pinos at April 30, 2007, 3:21 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Really fold? I almost insta-raise hoping for HU pot. I could fold at stars, i might have actually done it but i think there was a cold caller, which is a clear fold then (to me it is).
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| Posted by: proxybot at March 30, 2005, 5:33 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Given the same scenario but in the big blind - this seems like a fair call to me. Yet, it does seem dangerous to call in the small blind .. odd.
The bets could easily be ATs-AKs/AQo open raise, then a medium pocket pair wanted to reraise to isolate with position (typical PS aggression). You could easily have the best hand and it would be a mistake to not even see the flop. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Reef at March 29, 2005, 12:15 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | I don't much like mucking the 4th best hand preflop. You really need to know your opponents and what kind of hands they would raise/3-bet/cap with. You could very well be up against AQ and AK.
Also, how do they play post flop? Will you have enough implied odds (i.e. will you be able to get in raises 3-way on the turn) if you do hit the set? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Verdi at March 29, 2005, 5:54 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | It could very well be AK and AQ and then you have the best chance out of the three of you.
Anyway, if you pay $2.5 can you win a pot of $2.5x7.5=$18.75 to justify you drawing for your set? If you indeed are up against AA or KK with only lower cards on the board with no straight/flush possibilities I would say that you're in for a good sized pot.
Not to mention that you could very well win this one even without hitting your set.
I've never played at stars though so I don't know what a reraise means there at this level... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at March 23, 2005, 9:54 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Grinder wrote: Heck - At Poker Stars I dump(which is why I don't play there can can not see why ANYBODY plays there) - at Party or Crypto I reraise because the reraise rprobebly has AJo and is taking the raise as an insult and has a "I'll show YOU" attitude.
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| Posted by: Grinder at March 23, 2005, 6:16 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Heck - At Poker Stars I dump(which is why I don't play there can can not see why ANYBODY plays there) - at Party or Crypto I reraise because the reraise rprobebly has AJo and is taking the raise as an insult and has a "I'll show YOU" attitude.
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| Posted by: steve_bev at March 21, 2005, 11:48 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | If it makes you feel any better about the weak-tight, Poker Tracker pegs me as Loose-Aggressive, and after I saw where the button was I still say fold.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at March 21, 2005, 9:11 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | This is not as controversial as I thought it might be.
I dumped the jacks but it did feel just a tad weak-tight.
Who was it that said they'd rather be weak-tight than strong-broke?
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| Posted by: hofdaddy at March 21, 2005, 8:45 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | of course! I didn't even realize that the original post was against 2 other people. Sorry for not reading the entire thread as I just picked it up and I thought it was just a reraise HU. That'll teach me to post in the poker strategy section at work!
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| Posted by: steve_bev at March 21, 2005, 8:15 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | You're definitely behind AA, KK, and QQ. But the "race" against the others isn't that ideal, either, because it's not heads-up. If the other two guys have AK and AQ, your win % is 44.5%, so the normal PP vs. 2 overs 'race' has been reversed... it's not the same as two separate races where you're ahead 56-44, because to win you'll have to win them both. The only thing you can hope for is they both have AK, which puts you at 64.5%, but this optimum scenario is very unlikely.
Even if it's two 'maniacs' pushing KQ and AQ, you're down slightly to 43.7%. If it's AK and AA you're up against, you're looking at 18.5%. If they both have overpairs, you're at 15%. So your call is somwhere in the median of 11 points better than pot odds (33.3%); or 18 points lower. Overall, it's a fold.
Plus, of course, hitting your set might not be enough to win, since you've either got to dodge their sets if you're up against AA, or, your jack on the flop just made it a little easier for AK, AQ, and KQ to... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: hofdaddy at March 21, 2005, 3:00 pm | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Really fold? Maybe that's why I hate playing LHE! Knowing that you are behind only 3 hands and in a race with many others? The position is definately something that I would have a problem with though. EP just sucks so badly unless of course you hit your set on the flop. But like someone else said that's 7.5 to 1 to have happen and more likely than not you are missing and have to go to check fold mode.
In NL, IF it got reraised twice I would know that I was a HUGE dog. People play differently in low limit though. Thank God I play NL!
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| Posted by: deezamn at March 21, 2005, 9:16 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | Fold. They're only Jacks, and it's only .50 cents.
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| Posted by: pilgrimshoes at March 21, 2005, 9:06 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | player profiles? any leads on their play?
On pstars, unless i have some decent leads on the players i'd muck.
early position raisers and mp reraise makes me want to run away like a little girl. Unless they are both maniacs, in which case I'd cap it and try to take down a monster pot if i hit the set. Also if either have way overplayed big broadway cards during the session it would also prompt me to raise as well. many people also way overplay middle or somewhat high (99) pocket pairs. I like this play in limit much more than no limit however. You could dump it and lose $4 in limit, or take down a large pot in the end. In no limit, getting alot of chips into a pot and committed with a speculative pair is a plan for disaster. (unless you watch alot of WPT and rule the earth) As bruson mentions in super system, why put your money in the middle when you are anywhere from a 6 to 5 to at best (and most unlikely) an 80/20, and could potentally be as low as a 20/80? Where as it makes ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: steve_bev at March 21, 2005, 5:55 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | I muck.
I'm in for 50 cents. I can live without it, and can wait for a better opportunity later. I have to figure that I'm either 50-50 or I'm dominated and need help. If I'm dominated, flopping a set or better is 7.5 to 1. Which almost does give me implied odds if I can avoid a higher set. But it'll probably take a 3-bet after a flop of cards all 10 or less to determine whether I'm in the lead with JJ against AK and/or AQ, or down to AA, KK, or QQ. One of the raisers probably has one of the other's outs in his hand, which helps, but doesn't make this play too attractive.
The problem is position. I don't have it. I have to check no matter what the flop is, then raise whoever bets, just to see where I'm at (or muck immediately if an A or K has hit, and probably on a Q, too). If I'm re-raised I know I'm beat, if I'm called I might still be ahead. But I'm far out of position to make this work.
But, maybe that's just me. I tend to treat Jacks like Twos when this situa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at March 21, 2005, 1:29 am | | Topic: pocket jacks on the small blind Forum: Bonus Whores | 1-2 limit at Stars.
Post small blind and are dealt a pair of Jacks.
UTG +1 raises, UTG + 3 re-raises.
$2.50 to you.
You . . .
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