| Posted by: YSdeMan at December 22, 2004, 3:34 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | damn, that so many people had problems with party this month.
i'm glad to hear i'm not alone.
i started at party with their reload bonus 700 hands for $100 bucks
so i started with $100 of my own, and after 200 raked hands i made $190 from it. But then ALL PARTYPOKERS BAD BEAT HELL break loose.
i lost every good hand you could possibly lose. AA KK AK QQ another AK another AA. All were almost always rivered by flushes , full houses , straights, and players were calling with the most extreme crap hands.
I dont mind losing AA or AK once in a while, i know it happens, but come on 8 times in a row within the 500 remaining hands. I don't believe that shit. I lost $150 before reaching my raked hand requierment.
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| Posted by: Haagenti2 at December 22, 2004, 1:51 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | Hate to disappoint most of you, but this is relatively normal variance.
Two-tabling 5-10 at Party has a variance (for me) of 20BB/hr.
This means that I can have a bad hour of -40BB quite regularly.
And a bad day (9 hours) of -120BB
And a bad week (64 hours) of -320BB
And once in a great while I'll hit a catastrophic week of -480BB
Which may turn in a catastrophic month of -960BB
Swings in poker are brutal...
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| Posted by: hackermike at December 22, 2004, 12:25 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | i had a rough time a few days ago playing at party but then i realized that 4 tables was stretching me too thin. its good to do bonuses with, but play wise i am just not at the same level compared to when i 2 table. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at December 21, 2004, 3:21 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | well today the shit dont stop. I had KK on a 25NL table.. Some guy bets $6 in front of me..I move in and the big stack that does not talk..sits and thinks. Calls my $38 all in and board comes 3 clubs and the fuck has Q6c.
thats 1 BS hand.
this 1 is personally my favorite.
I have QJ and flop is QQJ.. some guy bets $15 in to a $6 pot (this is 50NL)
so I raise after he gets 2 callers! I move in and the dude calls. He has 910c with QJc on board..guess what he hit?I will give you 2 guesses and if you cant figure it out quit poker forever. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: CHRISTOPHER at December 21, 2004, 2:49 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | I've said it before and I'lll say it again: there's something not right about Party's RNG.
I can't begin to explain it or understand it, but it's there. Something about the way the cards run just isn't right.
The recent fiasco with the "repeating hands" at Casino County goes a long way in backing up my feeling, considering that it's IGM so they're all in cahoots and part of the same network.
I don't understand why people are so willing to say that this or that casino is rigged or has a faulty RNG, but those same people will call you an ignorant nutcase if you dare to suggest such a thing about poker sites. Malicious intent or not, any RNG can be flawed.
Anyway, same story for me. I was breaking even on this bonus after about 700 hands, then I started to slip. Ultimately ost $70 at the .50/1 OHL tables for a $130 profit on the bonus. Endless bad beats and missed draws. Of course, it didn't help that the fucking grinders started coming out of the woodwork around Satu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: GamblinFool at December 21, 2004, 1:22 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | That would make me so pissed if I lost a bad beat hand on a non bad-beat site. I mean, that's like $5000. That's probably illogical, but it's so rare for it to happen...
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| Posted by: proxybot at December 21, 2004, 1:07 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | goin2vegas wrote: Youll be ok, one day everything will hold up again and youll forget about
everything.
yeah, i agree.. if you have a winning track record , you'll be fine. You don't just suck ass all of a sudden and any downward variance is going to come back.
Last week I had one of my worst ever two day spans, basically on perma anxiety tilt for 10 days.. thought my game was over, that I can no longer make any money with consistentcy and have to just settle for breaking even while making bonus money.
now, a week later.. i've made up all of my losses and then a lot more. Now I look back and feel like a retard for letting a couple of rough days worry me to death. I rarely make huge money on Party, as it is.. and would settle for 2 BB/100 while 4 tabling. Many of the other sites, you could have regular +50 BB days , but I haven't had one in Party in so long.
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| Posted by: Gunner23 at December 20, 2004, 9:30 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | In February of 2004, at Party Poker, I had a stretch where I lost 15 out 19 full houses! I lost to bigger FHs, quads, several straight flushes (all less than 9 high); and 3 royal flushes. Every straight flush and royal flush hit on the river. In that same 30 day span, I lost flopped quads (Kings) to a straight flush (7 high) on the river..... Needless to say, February of 2004 was a month to forget... I think I was down around $700 for the month (playing $1/2). It got to the point that I expected to lose, no matter how good the hand. I started to play really, really passive after that month. It took me a long time to get back to being aggressive again. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: andrew26 at December 20, 2004, 8:57 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | I am about to tear my fucking hair out over this party play.
I have played 2300 raked hands and am down a grand total of $54 (not including the bonuses.)
What the fuck is going on?
I lost with KK to 53o earlier tonight.
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| Posted by: shoesnatcher at December 20, 2004, 8:37 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | I know you all mostly play limit holdem at Party, but I can't stand playing NL $25 at their site, players are just too crazy. I have tried playing $3/6 limit and $25 NL for extended periods on Party and I never made any money. I always lost in the long run.....I didn't start making any money until I began playing NL ring at Poker Stars and Ultimate Bet. I have other friends who play several tables at a time at Party and they have told me the swings at $3/6 can be downright brutal. It's seems like too many of their tables are full of loose agressives and they often seem to get lucky and start pulling crap from you know you know where. I agree table selection is important. I also keep notes on players so I know what I am dealing with the next time they sit at my table. I keep some notes to the effect if so and so sits at my table I should leave or this players always calls raises, never folds to blind steals, player is tight unimaginative rock, etc. sometimes I find it helpful for me to leave and play at ano... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: deezamn at December 20, 2004, 7:32 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | ripped wrote:
guys I want you to meet 1 of my best friends..
goin2vegas and I have known each other for about 7 years now. He is the 1 that introduced me to BW...
Damn...our neighbors to the north have some strange taste in women...
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| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 7:27 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | goin2vegas wrote: I think our avatars should have a jell-o wrestling match. Stampede vs Stacy K.
you keep your filthy fat road hogs away from my beauty! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 7:20 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | goin2vegas wrote: Youll be ok, one day everything will hold up again and youll forget about everything.
guys I want you to meet 1 of my best friends..
goin2vegas and I have known each other for about 7 years now. He is the 1 that introduced me to BW...
Now looking at his avatar I think I might disown him.. I think I nearly puked. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 6:59 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote: bpb wrote:
Please pardon the bluntness of my response.
The notion of moving up limits to avoid bad beats is insane. You want to be in a game where people are chasing without odds.
I'm going to disagree with you to a point. Yes, you want people chasing without odds. But I played at a 2/4 table last night where I had 6 people at the table who were seeing 70%+ of the flops. You MIGHT be able to win (and win big) at a table like this if you get the perfect flop, it is much more likely that you are going to get drown at the river time and time again.
I would much rather play at a table where there are only 2 or 3 people like that, even if it is at a level that I don't normally play.
in games like these AK is virtually useless because top pair kick is never enough. Best hands to play in these games are pp's and suited connectors for the flushes and straights. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Osric at December 20, 2004, 3:12 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | bpb wrote: Osric wrote:
I'm looking for a game with less voltility on Party.
I would try the Pokerstars 5-10 or UB 5-10 games. Possibly paradise 10-20. The players there are significantly tighter and better. You will likely be able to lose at a more consistent rate there.
And again, you completely miss the point. If you read my post, you'll see that I'd rather play at a table with 2-3 maniacs than a table with 6. Erasing your posts? A little childish, don't you think?
Maybe if I had prefaced my remarks with "Pardon me for being blunt." If you are gunna dish bluntness out, you should be able to take it as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at December 20, 2004, 3:05 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | bpb wrote: Osric wrote: I'm looking for a game with less voltility on Party.
I would try the Pokerstars 5-10 or UB 5-10 games. Possibly paradise 10-20. The players there are significantly tighter and better. You will likely be able to lose at a more consistent rate there.
Nice to remove all of your old posts, bpb. Thank goodness I quoted the relevant portions of your comments before I replied to them. There is room for disagreement in the world, you know, even if Osric is a bit off base with his thought patterns. I at one time felt just like Osric, thinking that I could only do well playing at tables with "good" players instead of loose ones. What little I knew at the time. Loose players are your best friends!
Your previous comments had very solid merit - removing them was really unnecessary. Many people would be well served by what you had to say. I've personally been studying and restudying SSHE and learning to apply its contents to my game, but I ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bpb at December 20, 2004, 2:42 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote:
I'm looking for a game with less voltility on Party.
I would try the Pokerstars 5-10 or UB 5-10 games. Possibly paradise 10-20. The players there are significantly tighter and better. You will likely be able to lose at a more consistent rate there. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Osric at December 20, 2004, 2:09 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | bpb wrote:
If your goal is to maximize your profit, then playing at the table with 6-7 people with VP$IP of 70+ is clearly better than a table with 2-3. If your goal is to win more pots, or not get sucked out on, then you might choose the latter.
Or, if one does not have the bankroll and/or stomach to hand the swings, he would also be better off to play in a less volitile game.
There is also the point that you can win MORE playing a higher limit game than a lower limit game...that is why the pros don't f around with 1/2 games which are surely more volitile than 100/200 games. None of which has anything to do with my original post.
I'm looking for a game with less voltility on Party. I asked people who were seeing a lot of bad beats what limits they were playing. If everyone says they are playing 3/6 or 5/10 and still getting sucked out every time, then I know that moving up isn't going to make the difference in the type of game I am looking for. If the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at December 20, 2004, 2:04 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | bpb wrote: If your goal is to maximize your profit, then playing at the table with 6-7 people with VP$IP of 70+ is clearly better than a table with 2-3. If your goal is to win more pots, or not get sucked out on, then you might choose the latter. You are (obviously) quite correct - that many insanely loose players is a godsend to maximize your profits, but I fully admit that I prefer to win at a more consistent pace than get hammered again and again by bad beats - I am still learning and practicing the patience needed to handle being on a serious losing downslide by no fault of my own, but I know (from personal experience) that once I've been sucked out on 3 or 4 times at a table by bad players (and not getting any wins to help counteract the losses); I almost inevitably start tilting. I've only been playing poker seriously online for about 8 months now, and part of that is learning to (a) avoid situations that put me on tilt, and (b) stop playing the second you feel tilt coming on. Obviously, like a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Osric at December 20, 2004, 12:38 pm | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | bpb wrote:
Please pardon the bluntness of my response.
The notion of moving up limits to avoid bad beats is insane. You want to be in a game where people are chasing without odds.
I'm going to disagree with you to a point. Yes, you want people chasing without odds. But I played at a 2/4 table last night where I had 6 people at the table who were seeing 70%+ of the flops. You MIGHT be able to win (and win big) at a table like this if you get the perfect flop, it is much more likely that you are going to get drown at the river time and time again.
I would much rather play at a table where there are only 2 or 3 people like that, even if it is at a level that I don't normally play. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at December 20, 2004, 11:44 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | I play the PL $25 tables usually 2 at a time.
I was up and down up and down the last few days - cleared my bonus up a little and them moved on to my gnomes. w/ only a $120 bonus to clear I wound up hitting a few hands at the end and wound up $300+ (including bonus) at the end.
not bad for a few hours of work - now off to gaming club | | Static Link |
| Posted by: deezamn at December 20, 2004, 11:36 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | Osric wrote: A question to you all here. What levels are you playing at on Party? I play 1/2 and 2/4 and got my share of bad beats yesterday. I was thinking about moving up to 3/6 to see if that would cut down on them some.
1/2 SH and 2/4 full. Amazingly enough, I've done better at 2/4 at Pokerroom than I have at Party of late. I keep telling myself I should just slum it out at .5/1 to clear it...but the pace is just too slow for me. Especially with the # of hands I need to do in such a limited amount of time.
Had a good run late Saturday night, up around 65BBs at the 1/2SH after a couple hours. Figured my dry spell was over. Nope, lost 60 of them Sunday afternoon. I was getting sucked out to some truly awful players. I'd have a couple people with over 70% VP$P at each table...which should really be making those shorthanded table lucrative I'd think.
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| Posted by: SmackMBUp at December 20, 2004, 11:29 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | Actually I cannot complain too much about the Party reload experience until I didn't win anything in my last 500 hands or so yesterday. Was up from the beginning to +$180 and slowly wasted away $90 of that yesterday.
Could it be that playing with a bonus in mind (like: "I'm up $200 anyway, so who cares") will disurb your playing attitude? For me it does, especially towards the last two hundred hands when being up by so much- wasted another $40 just by playing like a damn maniac- simply stupid.
Playing below my usual motivation level just to grind out a bonus hurts the game and eventually reduces chances of success, don't you agree to feel the same at times? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Osric at December 20, 2004, 11:27 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | A question to you all here. What levels are you playing at on Party? I play 1/2 and 2/4 and got my share of bad beats yesterday. I was thinking about moving up to 3/6 to see if that would cut down on them some.
Played two tables yesterday for about 5 hours each and ended up only $2.50...hell of a way to make some Xmas money. I would have ended up WAY down except for the hand where I'm on the button holding 22. Lots of callers (but only 1 raise preflop) and the flop comes up like KJ2. Someone bets, another raise, I call, raise, re-raise. Turn is garbage, they bet it out (I just get to call). River is rag...they finally start to wonder why I'm just calling their bets...I bet they call, I win a $110 pot. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at December 20, 2004, 11:27 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | I hate to be the guy to buck the trend, but I've been having fairly decent luck at Party lately.... although I think table selection has a lot to do with that. I'm reaching the point where if there is more than 4 loose-passive players, I find another table. I used to think a table full of loose passive players was ideal, but it seems like the variance is absolutely WICKED at tables like that, more than I care to deal with - I get sucked out more on those tables than nearly any other unless I have a very strong hand. (I know that loose passive players are supposed to be the ideal opponent, but a table full of them is a nightmare.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Rah at December 20, 2004, 10:04 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | I cleared the Party bonus this weekend and had a really bad series of beats too. I'm becoming superstitious of that site. I didnt bust all of the bonus though, I hope it works out fine for the rest of you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: deezamn at December 20, 2004, 10:00 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | ripped wrote: coloradoholdem wrote: I was doing ok on my 2nd party reload until i read this thread - now my aces won't hold up and people call me down with everything and of course are hitting the river.
ugh
umm..I am rubbing off on your guys
Yes, you are.
Ever since the Thanksgiving reloads at Party...I've absolutely started to despise Party. I hate the interface, I hate the colors, and I hate the cartoon players.
Had a -50 BB session there yesterday before my home game. Favorite hand...99 in the SB, folded to me (shorthanded). I raise, BB calls. Flop is 2 9 10 rainbow. I check, he bets, I raise, we cap it. Turn is a 5 of spades, betting capped again. River is another spade, I bet, he raises, I call. He's got AJ of spades. It was like he knew it was going to come...
Next hand my AA lost to 35o in the BB. Got Aces almost simultaneously at another table. Flop is A K 4. I'm raising as much as possible, as 5 people s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at December 20, 2004, 9:57 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | ripped wrote: coloradoholdem wrote: ripped wrote: coloradoholdem wrote: I was doing ok on my 2nd party reload until i read this thread - now my aces won't hold up and people call me down with everything and of course are hitting the river.
ugh
umm..I am rubbing off on your guys
I think me being physically ill doesn't help either. I can't sleep and I am playing tired which is not good.
go to bed man..tired does not make a good poker player.
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| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 9:55 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote: ripped wrote: coloradoholdem wrote: I was doing ok on my 2nd party reload until i read this thread - now my aces won't hold up and people call me down with everything and of course are hitting the river.
ugh
umm..I am rubbing off on your guys
I think me being physically ill doesn't help either. I can't sleep and I am playing tired which is not good.
go to bed man..tired does not make a good poker player. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at December 20, 2004, 9:54 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | ripped wrote: coloradoholdem wrote: I was doing ok on my 2nd party reload until i read this thread - now my aces won't hold up and people call me down with everything and of course are hitting the river.
ugh
umm..I am rubbing off on your guys
I think me being physically ill doesn't help either. I can't sleep and I am playing tired which is not good. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 9:54 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | wow..I guess I am not the only 1 party is fucking over.. I say we all send party an email and in the email we have in the topic FUCK PARTY POKER and in the message box dont put anything..that will fuck with their minds! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: hofdaddy at December 20, 2004, 9:48 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | I thought I was kicking some serious ass at Party til I got a hand that for the life of me I have no idea why the guy was calling for a non nut flush draw! I had Q's and make it $3 to go (standard for me and I haven't seen a flop in an hour at least). I got 4 callers GREAT! Flop comes 6h 4h Ts. I make it $15 and get one caller. Turn is 2d GREATER! I go all in and get the caller to call again. River is a K and he turns over Kh3h! What makes it worse is that his big win turns him into an over aggressive maniac. He ended up taking my session stack ~$70 when I hit a set and he moves all in with second pair and hits runner runner to make quads. This was all at $25 NL btw. I have 850 raked hands in and I am down....$.19! Good lord!
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| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 9:36 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote: I was doing ok on my 2nd party reload until i read this thread - now my aces won't hold up and people call me down with everything and of course are hitting the river.
ugh
umm..I am rubbing off on your guys | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ripped at December 20, 2004, 9:33 am | | Topic: I cant win anymore Forum: Bonus Whores | | well if I hadnt lost THOUSANDS of dollars this month then that might be a story..but you see..it aint $50..or a couple hundred..it's in the thousands. | | Static Link |
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