| Posted by: daraider at January 10, 2008, 4:25 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Correct casino whoring is pure math, no skill.
Poker is a game of skill.
To learn no limit without risking big $$$.
-read books
-join training sites
-learn at micro limits
-post hands for feedback
Realise that poker itself is more profitable than whoring, whoring is just a nice side effect.
Also realise you will always be learning. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TaijiSawada at January 10, 2008, 3:00 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | ive skimmed some books, i got "play tight and aggressive" out of it. i seem to be able to break-even on gameplay most of the time, but i'll have one or two shittastic down swings per bonus that i whore, involving some player sucking out on a pot by calling me down when i had him beat (usually 2 or 3 hands in a row). it's pretty unreal. but yeah i think i gotta do some serious book-learnin'.
and yeah bj whoring pretty much is that simple. it's very mechanical and mathematical. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: GoldBoar at January 10, 2008, 2:15 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Get a good book and read.
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I've just dabbled in BJ whoring, and if picking a bet size and following a chart is all that's too it (and I'm not saying it is -- I don't know) then switching to poker is not going to be easy.
You can search the forum for threads about books.
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| Posted by: TaijiSawada at January 10, 2008, 12:12 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | exactly.. i pictured myself whoring all those nice fat monthlies assembly-line style, robotically playing lhe as many tables as i can fit on my moniter.
just started poker whoring to take a break from casino bonuses and i'm reaaally not doing well playing limit so i'm scared i'll lose a lot if i go to NL :S how should i go about learning NL without risking $$$? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at January 10, 2008, 12:03 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | TaijiSawada wrote: daraider wrote: TaijiSawada wrote: ok off topic but, what is the best limit at cryptos to play at, considering the 0.25 or 1 mpp per hand nothing inbetween? i've been doing 2/4 and while i think its a little too much for my bankroll, it seems to clear a lot faster than 1/2.
a lot of people clear it at nl100.
Bascially the higher the better. They are trying to reward the people at the higher limits more than the people at the lower limits.
It is a good bonus if you can find some loose tables.
the 2/4 limit is very nitty because 90% are playing for the bonus.
yeah i noticed the NL tables are much more populated than the limit tables at cryptos. i'm fairly new to poker though and NL scares the shit out of me.. what are the blind levels at NL100? and couldn't some asshole with more money than he needs just go all-in randomly and force me out of a decent hand?
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| Posted by: daraider at January 9, 2008, 10:32 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | TaijiSawada wrote:
yeah i noticed the NL tables are much more populated than the limit tables at cryptos. i'm fairly new to poker though and NL scares the shit out of me.. what are the blind levels at NL100? and couldn't some asshole with more money than he needs just go all-in randomly and force me out of a decent hand?
for nl100 the blinds are $0.5 and $1, The max buyin is $100 (thus nl100), min buyin $20.
If you have say $50 at the table, and a guy pushes for $100 you can still call for all your $50 and the pot becomes for that. So the guy with the most money won't win every hand by pushing in and you not having enougth to call. Not like the movies
You will never beat nl buying in for the min because your playing a flawed game. It is much better than limit poker because your edge is increased.
Also if "some asshole" as you put it is pushing in randomly, he is dead money and you will stack him soon enougth. I would describe him as... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TaijiSawada at January 9, 2008, 9:52 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | daraider wrote: TaijiSawada wrote: ok off topic but, what is the best limit at cryptos to play at, considering the 0.25 or 1 mpp per hand nothing inbetween? i've been doing 2/4 and while i think its a little too much for my bankroll, it seems to clear a lot faster than 1/2.
a lot of people clear it at nl100.
Bascially the higher the better. They are trying to reward the people at the higher limits more than the people at the lower limits.
It is a good bonus if you can find some loose tables.
the 2/4 limit is very nitty because 90% are playing for the bonus.
yeah i noticed the NL tables are much more populated than the limit tables at cryptos. i'm fairly new to poker though and NL scares the shit out of me.. what are the blind levels at NL100? and couldn't some asshole with more money than he needs just go all-in randomly and force me out of a decent hand? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: GoldBoar at January 8, 2008, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | TaijiSawada wrote: i've been doing 2/4 and while i think its a little too much for my bankroll, it seems to clear a lot faster than 1/2.
Playing above your bank roll to clear a bonus is a cardinal sin. Tread very carefully.
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| Posted by: daraider at January 8, 2008, 5:06 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | TaijiSawada wrote: ok off topic but, what is the best limit at cryptos to play at, considering the 0.25 or 1 mpp per hand nothing inbetween? i've been doing 2/4 and while i think its a little too much for my bankroll, it seems to clear a lot faster than 1/2.
a lot of people clear it at nl100.
Bascially the higher the better. They are trying to reward the people at the higher limits more than the people at the lower limits.
It is a good bonus if you can find some loose tables.
the 2/4 limit is very nitty because 90% are playing for the bonus. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at October 22, 2007, 4:50 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Check out Ladbrokes, Poker Stars, Bodog, Party and Everest. They are all about the same or better than Wild Jack.
Also the Monthly 25pound bonus at William Hill you have to play 100NL or higher but you get 5pounds per hour which is the best bonus out there.
Then after all those you could start on some of the on game skins. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Seneku at October 22, 2007, 3:41 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch wrote: Well since Party and Empire bonuses now suck.
Check out a few old threads about Prima skins which have 5x bonuses. Make sure you read the T&C to make sure they are still 5x.
From memory there is PokerRommLA and golden Riviera and then there are a fair few 10x bonuses on the prima aswell. Note PokerRoomLA is Raked even though it says contributed.
Also the empire sign up is 60x raked hands which is horrible but if you just make the min deposit and clear that bonus you will start getting the 10x bonuses which are just about the best bonuses going round except for that $50 for 1 linux point or whatever at Eurolinx.
Enjoy
From what I can see PokerRoomLA and GR bonusses are terrible now. Seems like Empire Poker is the only easy money right now. The Wild Jack bonus is pretty good as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at October 21, 2007, 8:54 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Well since Party and Empire bonuses now suck.
Check out a few old threads about Prima skins which have 5x bonuses. Make sure you read the T&C to make sure they are still 5x.
From memory there is PokerRommLA and golden Riviera and then there are a fair few 10x bonuses on the prima aswell. Note PokerRoomLA is Raked even though it says contributed.
Also the empire sign up is 60x raked hands which is horrible but if you just make the min deposit and clear that bonus you will start getting the 10x bonuses which are just about the best bonuses going round except for that $50 for 1 linux point or whatever at Eurolinx.
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| Posted by: Deco at October 21, 2007, 5:01 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Mitch wrote:
That isn't really what i meant by being REALLY good at extracting money. If you can isolate the opponent then you don't need to wait for good hands you can play much weaker hands as long as you can make a few tough folds.
Isolate THE opponent
lol most the sites loopy
I've sat a table before with 5 players all with VP$P% above 70%
2others with 50% VP$P%
and the remaining 2 players were super Tight passive.
Still I spose your right I need experience playing more normal games, and hopefully the bonuses will make up for the loss of income due to playing better opponents.
Second my neteller account is sorted I'll pack me bags and leave pacific.
I've got $50 on absolute to blow on MTTs in the meantime
(edit its now $35 )
First bonus to throw around $500 in?
any suggestions on were I should break my whoring virginity? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at October 21, 2007, 4:42 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Deco wrote: I can extract money from weak players but then again so can anyone.
You merely get a good hand then bet it
That isn't really what i meant by being REALLY good at extracting money. If you can isolate the opponent then you don't need to wait for good hands you can play much weaker hands as long as you can make a few tough folds.
You also need to understand how the play of one very obvious donk changes the play of other normlly tight players.
If you have a small bankroll of <$2k then bonuses will make up a huge portion of your roll. Also if you don't have a great amount of experience then bonuses are a great way of gaining experience against a wide range of opponents with limited risk.
If you have only played on Pacific poker you are going to be shocked at how much better the players are on every other site. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deco at October 21, 2007, 4:18 am | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | I can extract money from weak players but then again so can anyone.
You merely get a good hand then bet it
Would the loose competition outweight the fact am getting no form of bonuses from pacific other than a rakeback of about 0.01%
I'm a noob to bonuses etc so I don't know how much of someones income they would make up.
Perhaps I should continue playing at pacific until I have anuth hands to have an accurate BB/100 rate on my poker tracker then try bonus whoring and see which is the most profitable?
I had a $100 bonus at pacific and I earned it a long time ago yet have only been raked $96, so the rakeback from bonuses must be over 100% so I think I've ruled rakeback out.
Also propping is only done on small sites, I probably cant use pokertracker, which is vital for my online play.
So thanks the decision has been narrows down
Soft Play or Bonus whoring? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mitch at October 20, 2007, 11:24 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Obv depends on your skills.
If you are a great shorthanded player then proping is a decent option.
If you really know how to extract value from weak players then that is a good option.
If you are an average all round player then bonuses are prob the go.
I would only go for rakeback if i had done all the decent bonuses and could find a good rakeback site with softish competition.
So i guess without really knowing your skills my advice is prob to do all the decent bonuses and then make a decision based on the wide variety of sites you would have experienced. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deco at October 20, 2007, 4:52 pm | | Topic: Rakeback vs deposit bonuses vs soft competition vs propping Forum: Bonus Whores | Hi, what I'd like to ask is which of these would you find the most desirable?
When you are earning a bonus its technically like a temporary rakeback.
Is it at a higher rate than your average rakeback of 30%?
If so would I be better switching sites and claiming bonuses rather than settling down at a site with a nice rake back offer.
I've been playing 50NL at pacific poker since I was 15 and the competition is very poor. Even when I used to play tight-passive I was by far a winning player, right now am a winning player but I'm not getting any bonuses what so ever.
I'm I missing out or does the very soft competition make up for this?
Lastly Propping is another option, I can handle small handed play but again I think I would win at a lesser rate to my current tables yet the huge rakebacks of 100%+ may substitute my lower win rate.
So should I come out of my comfort zone and visit different sites with harder competition?
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