| Posted by: porkrind at August 14, 2005, 2:46 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | Whenever I clear a bonus I always flop something like a KQ flush only to be cracked by someone with the A2os flush, or a set of Ks only to be beat by runner runner 5555 (yep both actually happened). I was about to give it all up but I went through some hand histories and noticed that I had loosened up after hours of tight bonus clearing play. Now I either bank the bonus or tighten up even more to protect the profit. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: garyking at August 14, 2005, 8:54 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | Hollywood is a gold mine, after depositing $200 a month ago I'm up $500 plus $350 of the bonus. At party, when I first joined two years ago I could make $50 a day profit at .50-1.00. Now, the last four bonuses, I'm lucky to cash out $70 of a $100 bonus. My take on it is that certain players have a style of play that suits different sites or games. Although I'd swear that party has a program that deals you worse cards after you've cashed out many times. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 11, 2005, 11:54 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I have really learned the value of Pokertracker on this bonus. Now that I have over 3000 hands in I can look for my targets. I have two ATM machines I look for. To be honest it is sad watching these two play 2/4 so badly but they never complain and keep reloading. I also now know who to sit on my left and right and will wait for the right conditions rather than just jump in the first seat HP/PR offers.
BTW, I am back to even but still down the $150 in bonus money. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 10, 2005, 10:11 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | After over 3300 hands I am down a total of $50. It seems like everytime I clear a $50 increment I get sucked out huge!!!!!!!!!!!
Crying shame they don't have a decent BB or High Hand like Crazy Poker. If HP/PR had Crazy's BB T&C I would be done for the month. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: smoke1j at August 10, 2005, 10:00 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | Please post back how u do, I was going to try the same but after losing about $450 of my own money after clearing about $250 in bonus, and reading these post I gave up. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 10, 2005, 4:12 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | With any normal poker player thinking that variance and long term statistics will even the swings. PR/HP is full of hit and run maniacs that will bet/raise anything to the river hoping for a big suckout. Once they succeed they are gone before variance catches up.
True they are all long term fish but they have to stay in the pond. I have tightened my game to the point of top 10 starting hands with absolutely no chasing unless it is four to the nuts. When I flop a set or tptk I just let the table bet for me now since the suckout muppets won't ever fold. Sure I lose a few extra bets but the decrease in variance is worth it to me.
I have made clearing this 15X bonus a true acid test of my poker skills. By my numbers it will take about 10,000 hands at 2/4 to clear the $500. We shall see if I can finish it with my original buy in plus bonus. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 10, 2005, 4:45 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Ok something is seriously wrong with that site.
First, of the three bonus increments I have cleared playing 2/4 limit. Either right before or after I cleared I suffered huge suckouts with ridiculously awful hands. (try AA with a board ATT/5/5 and losing to 55. Despite capping every round.
I go over my stats in PT every 1000 hands or so and here is my biggest l2/4 leak at Hollywood Poker.
AQ suited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (-$89)
I have been dealt AQ suited 39 times (statistically improbable) and here is what happened to them.
I have had TPTK on showdown 10 times. LOST ALL to either straights or boats
I have had AQAQ on showdown 4 times. LOST ALL to AK twice and runner runner low PP quads.
I have folded 10 times to suited flops.
I have won blind steals 9 times.
AQ suited only held up six times on showdown.
This is my opinion on the site. At 5/10 and down it is full of showdown muppets that will chase premium starting hands into the dirt with any drawing hand. TA... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: slanina at August 5, 2005, 1:51 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I haven't noticed anything fishy there because i withdrew within the 1st hour after i deposited. Sat at 3 tables at 1/2 fixed and lost 133 dollars of my 500 dollar deposit. I posted bout this back when it happened. This has been BY FAR my least productive site. I didn't even care about working towards a bonus cuz of those insane beats and if i knew i stayed i probably wouldve lost 300 clearing 100 dollar bonus.
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| Posted by: smoke1j at August 4, 2005, 9:23 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | I am glad I read this post because I was beginning to wonder about poker room. I had done poker room a long time ago playing 5/10 and at the time didn't see any problems it the short time I played there. I just went back and played hollywood at the 2/4 limit level and over the past week have taken the beating of my life. I starting officially whoring about 2 months ago and had won money at every site I played (party, empire, ultimite bet, poker stars, prima, and cryptos.) But got consistantly destroyed at hollywood poker. Was in the black only twice outta 10 sessions and was beginning to doubt my skills. But I think something is wrong there. I cleared about $250 in bonus money and I will still take a loss of 350 meaning I lost about 600 playing 2/4 limit while everywhere else I have played I have made about $2500. Plus it was by far the fastest players I have played with. I don't know if its there software or bots or maybe just me but it didn't add up and I don't know about you no limit players but I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elf23 at August 4, 2005, 12:23 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I think pokerroom has the softest tables on the internet next to party. I have been crushing the 2/4 tables there lately for about 4BB/100 and even after a huge swing at the 3/6 tables yesterday I am still over 2BB/100 there.
SnGs are soft there as well.
It's by and far my favorite place to play. Good software, quick players, bad players, lots of tables, and I have two dedicated sharks on my buddylist that I can follow around to the tables full of fish they have notes on
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at August 3, 2005, 8:30 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Mepha wrote: I HAVE a LOT more success at crypto than I do any other place, including Party... I play at PokerPlex, Inter, Carribean Sun, and Classic Poker..
I generally release my bonus's there in between party, and pokerstars.. except classic which, I just started playing at.. I play 2/4L or 3/6$ or 2/4E.. In my opinion if you can't beat the 2/4 tables at any of the crypto sites you need to find a new hobby...
Mepha..
You're freaking me out.
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| Posted by: Mepha at August 3, 2005, 2:57 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I HAVE a LOT more success at crypto than I do any other place, including Party... I play at PokerPlex, Inter, Carribean Sun, and Classic Poker..
I generally release my bonus's there in between party, and pokerstars.. except classic which, I just started playing at.. I play 2/4L or 3/6$ or 2/4E.. In my opinion if you can't beat the 2/4 tables at any of the crypto sites you need to find a new hobby...
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| Posted by: post1958 at August 3, 2005, 2:21 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | more on the suited flops - while they seem to have many more suited flops than the %'s would dictate - a 4th to the suit on the turn and river seems to occur much less frequently. It's almost like they accelerate suited cards into the flop, but don't affect the randomness of the 5 community cards in total.
Doing this would certainly keep drawing hands in the pot longer which would increase rake. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: juicyjoo at August 3, 2005, 10:33 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Bluffy-Girl wrote: I absolutely cannot relate to anyone who likes PokerRoom. I have played online for years, and B&M for years before that. There is SOMETHING FISHY about PokerRoom. I can't tell you what it is. I haven't been able to put my finger on it. But it just ain't right.
I don't normally subscribe to paranoid conspiracy theories, but I am suspicious about PokerRoom. I really believe that at PokerRoom, either some team has cracked the RNG, or they have some back door access to inside information from the PokerRoom host software, or there is extensive use of bots, or . . . who knows.
If you don't think a RNG can be cracked, it has happened in the past. A search of the internet will find articles about the cracking of a poker site's RNG in the late nineties (I think it was PlanetPoker). That particular group decided to publish their discovery. But of course, we can't expect that all people would be that honest.
Regarding access to inside information f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BCsparky at August 3, 2005, 9:24 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | post1958 wrote: I did 1750 points for a $250 bonus at poker room a few months ago - so probably 3000+ hands at 2/4 limit. It was uncanny how many suited flops they had (i.e. 3 hearts). I think that's supposed to occur about 1.5% of the time and it seemed to occur 20% of the time on their site.
This is one of the first things I noticed when I started playing Pokerroom.
The actual odds of 3 suited on the flop is a little over 5%. But at pokerroom its definitely appears higher from my experience. This could be part of the reason the original poster doesn't do well at pokerroom.
Big pairs tend not to stand up that well with so many connected and suited boards.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at August 2, 2005, 5:32 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | coloradoholdem wrote: Love PR!!!!!
try the 5 handed tables.
Me too!!!
And my bots are cleaning up!!!
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| Posted by: post1958 at August 2, 2005, 2:43 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | I did 1750 points for a $250 bonus at poker room a few months ago - so probably 3000+ hands at 2/4 limit. It was uncanny how many suited flops they had (i.e. 3 hearts). I think that's supposed to occur about 1.5% of the time and it seemed to occur 20% of the time on their site. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bluffy-Girl at August 2, 2005, 6:05 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I absolutely cannot relate to anyone who likes PokerRoom. I have played online for years, and B&M for years before that. There is SOMETHING FISHY about PokerRoom. I can't tell you what it is. I haven't been able to put my finger on it. But it just ain't right.
I don't normally subscribe to paranoid conspiracy theories, but I am suspicious about PokerRoom. I really believe that at PokerRoom, either some team has cracked the RNG, or they have some back door access to inside information from the PokerRoom host software, or there is extensive use of bots, or . . . who knows.
If you don't think a RNG can be cracked, it has happened in the past. A search of the internet will find articles about the cracking of a poker site's RNG in the late nineties (I think it was PlanetPoker). That particular group decided to publish their discovery. But of course, we can't expect that all people would be that honest.
Regarding access to inside information from the host software, I wo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at August 1, 2005, 1:58 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | I can't speak for the NL tables there but the limit from 1/2 to 3/6 are generally soft but you do have to find your opponents to focus on more so than say on the party network | | Static Link |
| Posted by: blosky2001 at August 1, 2005, 1:33 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks for the tip...I think I'll try that.
Here's an example hand of the stuff I've been seeing. I was not involved in this hand.
MP raises $3 LP calls Button reraises $8
MP folds LP goes all-in, button calls
LP has pocket 3s...Button has 78 unsuited
[ Kc 8h Ks Jh ] 7c
Button wins...unbelievable | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at August 1, 2005, 1:22 pm | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | don't play on Pokerroom JUST for the bonus, because you're not making much vs. the rake paid anyway. if the 50c/$1 is kicking your ass, maybe bump down to 25c/50c blinds which will still clear bonus (though only half as fast) and probably be more your skill level. or withdraw for now, leave the bonus there (you have 60 days to claim) and work on your game somewhere else before coming back to finish up.
Prima network, Absolute and Paradise have better bonus structures for micro NL as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: blosky2001 at August 1, 2005, 11:40 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I have 600 pts at Poker Room and I'm playing NL.
I misspoke before- .25/.5 at Party .5/1 at Crypto
I know that I'm not dominating and I'm not trying to. I just wanted to see what some other people's thoughts were about Poker Room. I'm a new bonuswhore (June) and Poker Room is the only site of the 15 I've played at that I've been dominated. I realize that I have much more to learn. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ed209 at August 1, 2005, 11:10 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | you're talking 50c/$1 NL right? note that the bonus system on Pokerroom is not the same as Party where ANY raked hand counts towards the bonus. you earn one point for pots raked at least $1 ($20+ pot) and 0.5 point for 50c rake ($10+ pot). you may have played 600 raked hands but not necessarily have that many "points". if you're playing fixed limit (which I doubt if you're already $250 down) then your points might be even less.
I don't play much NL but clearly it's a game of higher variance and many more variables than LHE grinding. truthfully, I'm seeing a lot more beginning players such as yourself jumping right into NL for bonus whoring and I don't know why, especially if you're running back to the forum for playing advice after a loss. that being said, you will notice that pokerroom is slightly more TAG than party is, so you may find yourself having to invest more money while at the same time having a smaller edge to draw out. you might have been able to play cheap draws at Party but Pokerroom ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: blosky2001 at August 1, 2005, 10:54 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | I play a relatively tight game. Maybe that's why my style works well at the Party skins and Crypto. I don't play many drawing hands...maybe I need to. I've been playing percentages. If I have a straight draw but the pot odds don't justify the call, I don't do it. It seems as though everyone else will bet if they have any kind of flush draw or straight draw not caring what the pot odds are.
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| Posted by: Loke at August 1, 2005, 10:37 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | You are probably right on. Some sites are loose/passive, others loose/aggressive. Others are tight (crypto). The same game won't work at all sites. I would guess that your playing style is suited to Party. You probably play many drawing hands, getting in cheaply, that get paid off when they hit because you get called down by the many marginal players (loose/passive). These same drawing hands probably aren't high EV at Poker Room. Just a guess though as I don't play there, though I am going to in August. Maybe post some hands? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: FeelingLucky at August 1, 2005, 10:13 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | blosky2001 wrote: I'm playing the same exact way I do everywhere else so for the first couple of days I attributed it to bad luck but now I'm not so sure.
I think that is your problem right there. You need to adjust, and though I can't comment on exactly what kind of adjustments are needed at Poker Room (not playing there myself); I am sure the games are far from identical to those at Party (where your current style may work, though you need quite a few hands played to determine that).
The same is true for the Cryptologic network compared to Party - the same limits can differ a lot in playing style across sites/networks.
So while there may be a tendency towards one particular type of play at any given site, it just comes down to the more general rule of poker: that of adapting to the circumstances. You can't always play the same, or you will loose (or at least not win as much as possible).
I am sure Poker Room players can give some pointers though.
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| Posted by: blosky2001 at August 1, 2005, 9:56 am | | Topic: thoughts on Poker Room tables Forum: Bonus Whores | | How do you guys feel the games are at .5/1 on Poker Room? I'm getting killed there. I've been playing .5/1 everywhere and usually do ok. At all of the party skins with the $100 bonus, my average cashout is $150 after the 500 raked hands. I deposited money at Poker Room for the 30% bonus needing 1400 raked hands and after playing 600 raked I'm down $250. I'm playing the same exact way I do everywhere else so for the first couple of days I attributed it to bad luck but now I'm not so sure. I've only had one winning session there. I wanted to know your guys thoughts to see if I need to change my style. I would hate to change it up and lose even more. | | Static Link |
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