| Posted by: The Gunslinger at August 17, 2005, 1:47 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: FeelingLucky wrote: DemonicHordes wrote: @sses fu*king sh!t faces STFU fu*king bullsh!t dumb @ss ret@rds fu*king fu*king fu*king fu*king dumb @sses dumb fu*k
Am I the only one who is amused by people so used to using obscenities in censored chats that they automatically scramble their profanities?
I couldn't crack his clever code to figure out what "fu*cking" or "sh!t" was supposed to mean.
I learned what all of that meant when Klepto was around.
Maybe this is Klepto.
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| Posted by: juicyjoo at August 16, 2005, 2:03 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | um....sorta on topic, but slightly off-topic, but has anyone here ever used poker office? is it banned by party poker? how's it compare to poker tracker?
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| Posted by: sjguppy at August 16, 2005, 12:07 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | As for PT giving us an unfair adantage. Yes, too a point. But I could do the same myself if I wanted to spend a lot of time with a pen and paper tracking hands, which is what I did before PT. But the reality is that the information is there for everyone to use. Hell, if Party gave away PT for free it would have minimal effect and my win rate. 99% of the players online wouldn't understand or even care what information was given to them. They just want to gamble. I have freinds who won't buy PT becuase it is a waste of their time to run it. PT is not going to make you a winning player. You still have to know how to play. I would venture to guess that a majority of the online high stakes players use PT and even there the better players still win.
As for the illegal use of software there is a line that I think most draw when they decide to use a product. Price is usually the deciding factor. When Excel was $399 a copy we all used copies from work. When the price dropped to $99 everyone bough a lega... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at August 16, 2005, 5:56 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | jek187 wrote: Both krakilin and demonichordes have been banned. They're the same person. And we all know that's naughty.
Iggy needs to find better things to do with his free time...
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| Posted by: superius at August 15, 2005, 6:43 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | todd wrote: superius wrote: RE: Illegal Software.
Dude, how old is your computer if you don't have a legal copy of Windows XP? I have a Pentium 4 1.5g that is like 4.5 years old and it came with a legal copy of Windows XP. There hasn't been a new version since so I have never had to worry about an upgrade.
Some people buy computers pre-built without any software on them, and some others like to buy the parts and put the computers together themselves. I've seen a few computers with Linux pre-installed, too. These are the people with newer computers and without a Windows XP license.
Ok I'll give you that. I'm not sure what poker rooms are available in Linux (it's been a longtime since my computer nerd days and I no longer have a private war going on with MS) but I am assuming that the vast majority of people will have MS Windows XP on a new computer. Heck, even clones and pre-builts come with it these days (that's how I got mine)! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: macman at August 15, 2005, 5:31 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | It's really simple. Poker Tracker isn't cheating because Party Poker has ruled that it isn't. If they change the ruling, it will be cheating.
I personally do not believe it is cheating. You are doing nothing with PT that a determined individual couldn't do themselves. It does of course make it easier. Further, PT may be purchased by any individual playing PP or any other site.
I'll chip in on pirated software. It is stealing, period. I have ZERO pirated software on any of my computers. Pirating software is no different than walking into a store, taking an item off the shelf and walking out without paying for it. Further, all the people that pay for software lose money because of software pirates. If everyone paid for every piece of software they possess, it would cost less for the rest of us. That simple. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: hofdaddy at August 15, 2005, 5:10 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | jek187 wrote: Both krakilin and demonichordes have been banned. They're the same person. And we all know that's naughty.
I wonder who it could have been?
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| Posted by: todd at August 15, 2005, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | superius wrote: RE: Illegal Software.
Dude, how old is your computer if you don't have a legal copy of Windows XP? I have a Pentium 4 1.5g that is like 4.5 years old and it came with a legal copy of Windows XP. There hasn't been a new version since so I have never had to worry about an upgrade.
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| Posted by: tarheel1 at August 15, 2005, 12:11 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | I hate to be the linguist here since I cant spell but according to the party quote Poker tracker is not cheating software. You see opponent profiling and cheating are separated by a comma thus signifying a difference
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| Posted by: Jay at August 15, 2005, 11:58 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | FeelingLucky wrote: DemonicHordes wrote: @sses fu*king sh!t faces STFU fu*king bullsh!t dumb @ss ret@rds fu*king fu*king fu*king fu*king dumb @sses dumb fu*k
Am I the only one who is amused by people so used to using obscenities in censored chats that they automatically scramble their profanities?
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| Posted by: FeelingLucky at August 15, 2005, 11:49 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | DemonicHordes wrote: @sses fu*king sh!t faces STFU fu*king bullsh!t dumb @ss ret@rds fu*king fu*king fu*king fu*king dumb @sses dumb fu*k
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| Posted by: superius at August 15, 2005, 11:39 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | RE: Illegal Software.
Dude, how old is your computer if you don't have a legal copy of Windows XP? I have a Pentium 4 1.5g that is like 4.5 years old and it came with a legal copy of Windows XP. There hasn't been a new version since so I have never had to worry about an upgrade.
Also, I must admit that I do have some illegal software. Not much mind you, but there is some, although I used to have a ton when I was a kid and broke. Your perspective changes when you have money. Anyway, I think one needs to draw a line between useful software and trash. For example, most games for the PC are complete crap. They have a playlife of like 2 days max. I am much more hesitant to shell out $50 for software that I cannot try and have no idea if it is gonna be useful. Pokertracker on the otherhand is definately useful and has a shelf life of your entire online poker career. Not only that, it will pay for itself in days!
Finally, it boggles my mind that you would try and steal a co... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DemonicHordes at August 15, 2005, 11:16 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Wow, alot of dumb @sses in this forum it's unbelivable.
Interesting but dumb question > Of course this software is a cheating software why do you think we use it, can't you guys all fu*king read? It's a software that does auto "opponent-profiling" That's exactly what pokertracker does you sh!t faces. But who cares? Poker sites don't care so why should we? Whatever makes you more money right? Cheating is not cheating, stealing is not stealing until you get caught, period! So STFU
Quote: According to the Catholic Church, gambling is not a sin, unless it takes precedence over your family and the church.
ROFL, that's fu*king bullsh!t, gambling is a sin you dumb @ss ignorant retard, you picked the wrong place to ask a stupid question, we all play poker here, of course we're going to say it's not a sin ret@rds! All that time you're playing poker you could have gone to church!
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| Posted by: phatlad at August 15, 2005, 10:59 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Krakilin wrote: Phatlad you're absolutely right, I don't think it's cheating either! The program is f@cking awesome!!! It keeps track of EVERYTHING you can imagine!!! Though you'll need to import quite a bit of histories to get a better reading on your opponents, but it also keeps track of your own stats so you can improve on it as well. Damn man, I've been playing poker for 10 months now I wish I knew about this program earlier.
This is a must have and it's totally legit!!! (See above posts)
Quote: Rot in hell
I'm not religious, i'm an atheist, well more of a agnostic I guess...but he brought up a very interesting point though, is gambling considered a "sin"? Would you actually go to hell?
Here's an interesting article...
http://blog.johndepoe.com/2004/09/is-gambling-sin.html
I bought the program from Pat back in February and it paid for itself that same day. From all my dealings with him, he is a hard worker, courteous a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fluffy_ferret at August 15, 2005, 8:58 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | The question is whether the advantage is fair or unfair.
The fact remains about Poker Tracker and similar software:
1. They don't collect any data you can't collect yourself, they just make it easier.
2. They are available to everyone.
3. The information they are using is open and available to everyone.
I think it's a fair advantage.
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| Posted by: solring at August 15, 2005, 8:09 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Jay wrote: Krakilin wrote:
Man, this is going in circles, "d/l an illegal copy"... mp3s, movies, hell even MS Windows how many people have an original copy of Windows?
I do.
Same here...on all seven of the computers in the house.
Plus MS Office x7.
Plus Trillian Pro x2.
Plus PokerTracker x2.
Plus all of the games that my son and I play...although, technically, I have them installed on more than one computer.
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| Posted by: Jay at August 15, 2005, 7:17 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Krakilin wrote:
Man, this is going in circles, "d/l an illegal copy"... mp3s, movies, hell even MS Windows how many people have an original copy of Windows?
I do.
Using a pirated copy of a program is stealing from the company that wrote it. If it was one person who wrote it, then you're stealing from that person.
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| Posted by: Krakilin at August 15, 2005, 2:30 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | NWCougar wrote: 1) According to the Catholic Church, gambling is not a sin, unless it takes precedence over your family and the church.
2) Your a total piece of shit if you really are stealing PT. Pat and others have put a lot of work into providing such a great program (and add-ons); by stealing it you're disrespecting someone who has done more for online poker than you ever will.
No no, the BT version is WAYYY out of date!!!
Quote: "stealing it you're disrespecting someone who has done...."
I swear to god I've heard that exactly same quote somewhere before, I think it was in the threatres during those previews... and in the end it says "PIRACY IS STEALING, IT'S A CRIME".
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| Posted by: NWCougar at August 15, 2005, 2:28 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | 1) According to the Catholic Church, gambling is not a sin, unless it takes precedence over your family and the church.
2) Your a total piece of shit if you really are stealing PT. Pat and others have put a lot of work into providing such a great program (and add-ons); by stealing it you're disrespecting someone who has done more for online poker than you ever will.
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| Posted by: Krakilin at August 15, 2005, 1:49 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Phatlad you're absolutely right, I don't think it's cheating either! The program is f@cking awesome!!! It keeps track of EVERYTHING you can imagine!!! Though you'll need to import quite a bit of histories to get a better reading on your opponents, but it also keeps track of your own stats so you can improve on it as well. Damn man, I've been playing poker for 10 months now I wish I knew about this program earlier.
This is a must have and it's totally legit!!! (See above posts)
http://www.pokertracker.com/
Quote: Rot in hell
I'm not religious, i'm an atheist, well more of a agnostic I guess...but he brought up a very interesting point though, is gambling considered a "sin"? Would you actually go to hell?
Here's an interesting article...
http://blog.johndepoe.com/2004/09/is-gambling-sin.html
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| Posted by: phatlad at August 15, 2005, 12:59 am | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Krakilin wrote: Is it still cheating because doesn't it "enable you to have an unfair advantage over other players" Which means it gives you better chance of winning money compare to someone else at your skill level that's NOT using this software. Meaning, you're stealing other people's winnings.
No, it's not cheating. No, it doesn't give you an unfair advantage over other players. That's as ludicrous as saying reading Theory of Poker is cheating because it gives you an unfair advantage over players.
Krakilin wrote: Haha, I'm just d/l from BT that comes with a crack
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| Posted by: superius at August 14, 2005, 10:28 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | We can debate the merits of PT being used/not, but numerous people have had email contact with Party Poker and been told PT is not banned. So, really, there is not much to discuss.
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| Posted by: WhooFleuryScores at August 14, 2005, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | | I think PokerEdge would be more on the line then PokerTracker.I know alot of fish who given PT for free still wouldn't be able to improve much.PY only gives you stats and numbers;it's no different from professioanl teams that keep film and books on their opponents as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Krakilin at August 14, 2005, 6:37 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Krakilin wrote: Haha, I'm just d/l from BT that comes with a crack, but I think you're missing the point of this thread.
I'm done with this discussion - if you're going to d/l an illegal copy, nobody is going to stop you, but doing so then bragging about it in a public forum, many of whom have bought it and support Pat's (author of PokerTracker) efforts? What an ass.
Man, this is going in circles, "d/l an illegal copy"... mp3s, movies, hell even MS Windows how many people have an original copy of Windows? That's completely a different topic that doesn't belong in this forum. You're not understand what I'm trying to say here, read my first thread. I'm not bragging about anything I don't even use the program!!! My question is really simple, I'm just saying alot of people here are against doing things "illegal", but ironically, you yourself is doing an illegal act because you are using PokerTracker, you're trying to hide yourself by saying "I'm done w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at August 14, 2005, 6:17 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Krakilin wrote: Haha, I'm just d/l from BT that comes with a crack, but I think you're missing the point of this thread.
I'm done with this discussion - if you're going to d/l an illegal copy, nobody is going to stop you, but doing so then bragging about it in a public forum, many of whom have bought it and support Pat's (author of PokerTracker) efforts? What an ass. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Krakilin at August 14, 2005, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | elric wrote: Geez... suck it up and buy a legal copy. You can dowbload and use the full product but it only holds 1000 hands and then you need to pony up the money.
Haha, I'm just d/l from BT that comes with a crack, but I think you're missing the point of this thread.
Reading the link you posted I also see this (which is exactly what PokerTracker does)...
Even if another player is using a program in the Forbidden Category, will it harm me?
It might. And indeed it often does; certainly the purpose of this type of program is just that?to give the buyer/user an unfair advantage over you?in a game played for money?and to then to conceal that fact from you. And in a game played for money, we say that?s cheating.
Consider this example. One company?s website makes these claims:
Imagine knowing exactly how all of your opponents play before ever sitting at a poker table. Now use this knowledge to pick the easiest and most profitable tabl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: elric at August 14, 2005, 4:35 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Geez... suck it up and buy a legal copy. You can download and use the full product but it only holds 1000 hands and then you need to pony up the money.
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| Posted by: Krakilin at August 14, 2005, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Cha Ngo wrote: Quote: alot of people talking about pokertracker, but isn't that stuff illegal as well? This is even worse than having 2 accts in Party because with this program you're actually stealing other people's money or give you the advantage
This should be an interesting discussion.
You are asking if pokertracker is cheating? Have you ever used it?
It does indeed profile other players.
No, but I've been to the website, supposely you have pay to download it? But I'm sure I can just grab the software from BT clients.
Now but my question is even though it's not on the official BAN list. Is it still cheating because doesn't it "enable you to have an unfair advantage over other players" Which means it gives you better chance of winning money compare to someone else at your skill level that's NOT using this software. Meaning, you're stealing other people's winnings.
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| Posted by: elric at August 14, 2005, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | PokerTracker is not currently on their list of officially banned programs yet. You can find Party Pokers official stance at the link below:
PartyGaming?s Policy on ?unfair advantage? Programs
Quote: The use of certain programs on websites on the PartyGaming system are blocked outright. These are: WinHoldem, PokerEdge, Poker Prophecy, and PokerBot Pro. Our decision to block the use of these programs was made only after our determination that they satisfy the criteria for placement in the Forbidden Category defined above.
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| Posted by: Cha Ngo at August 14, 2005, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote: alot of people talking about pokertracker, but isn't that stuff illegal as well? This is even worse than having 2 accts in Party because with this program you're actually stealing other people's money or give you the advantage
This should be an interesting discussion.
You are asking if pokertracker is cheating? Have you ever used it?
It does indeed profile other players.
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| Posted by: Krakilin at August 14, 2005, 4:07 pm | | Topic: Anti-Cheating Software (PokerTracker illegal?) Debate Forum: Bonus Whores | Now, since alot of people are against cheating/stealing here, well according to my last thread about a scam of having 2 accounts in Party Poker, I was reading around the threads on "strategy" and alot of people talking about pokertracker, but isn't that stuff illegal as well? This is even worse than having 2 accts in Party because with this program you're actually stealing other people's money or give you the advantage of, here's the terms and cond from party poker. I was thinking of using that program myself but then after reading this...
7. Anti-Cheating Software.
We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence ("AI Software") to play on our Services such as, but not limited to opponent-profiling, player collusion, cheating software or anything else that we deem enables you to have an unfair advantage over other players. You acknowledge that the Company will take measures to detect and prevent the use of such ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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