| Posted by: Loke at September 7, 2005, 2:31 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | jackbauer wrote: Being a $5/$10 and above player, now the clearence rates for me will basically be 6X now that I'm getting double points. I love how all of you cheap $.50/$1.00 people complain when it's hard to clear bonuses.
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 7, 2005, 9:45 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Quote from their news page:
Quote: The new PokerRoom.com Player Points structure won't be launched today (Wednesday, September 7); as reported earlier.
More information will follow - stay tuned!
The plot thickens.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TheJourneyman at September 6, 2005, 12:59 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | todd wrote: jackbauer wrote: Being a $5/$10 and above player, now the clearence rates for me will basically be 6X now that I'm getting double points. I love how all of you cheap $.50/$1.00 people complain when it's hard to clear bonuses.
I usually play 2/4 or 3/6, but let's look at things from their perspective. Who wouldn't complain (or at least be unhappy) when their income is reduced? If you are given a pay cut, should I laugh at you because it doesn't affect me?
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| Posted by: todd at September 6, 2005, 12:55 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | jackbauer wrote: Being a $5/$10 and above player, now the clearence rates for me will basically be 6X now that I'm getting double points. I love how all of you cheap $.50/$1.00 people complain when it's hard to clear bonuses.
I usually play 2/4 or 3/6, but let's look at things from their perspective. Who wouldn't complain (or at least be unhappy) when their income is reduced? If you are given a pay cut, should I laugh at you because it doesn't affect me? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jackbauer at September 6, 2005, 12:38 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | | Being a $5/$10 and above player, now the clearence rates for me will basically be 6X now that I'm getting double points. I love how all of you cheap $.50/$1.00 people complain when it's hard to clear bonuses. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 5, 2005, 5:44 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Thanks phatlad.
Honestly, I think the change to being lower than 100% rakeback is intentional. Although I despise the new rake structure intensely (it's ridiculous, and I'm concerned that if PR can get away with it without too much damage to their customer base other sites may decide to follow suit); the new bonus structure they have devised is far better than the old one under the new rake structure.
Having not played much at PR lately, I'm not sure where the breakpoint on pot sizes is, but with some basic math it appears that at $3/$6 this structure is much better than under the old configuration in terms of speed of clearing the bonus. (Although the extra rake taken is an obvious, and large, drawback.)
Feel bad for BW - first they get an exclusive deal with InterPoker, who screws them in the 2nd month with a bonus structure change, then they get a great deal going with Hollywood, and PR pulls the rug out from under them. Ouch. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at September 5, 2005, 1:04 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Talk about a goat screw. These folks have really screwed the pooch on many levels. First they suck loads of new players in with big (I do realize 15X, but most people biting are not BWs) and when it appears they are going to loose money on the deal up goes the rake. THEN, when the BWs figure out just go to 3/6 they alter the 15X to 25X. They can all drop dead.
According to my PT the 15X is almost a 80% rakeback so I guess I will have to find a rake deal there to really make money. With all the N00b fish chasing that unreal bonus tight play and rakeback at 3/6 should earn me more than that stupid bonus. Either way Rakeback or Bonus this site requires long term play and a well funded bankroll to handle the swings. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: phatlad at September 5, 2005, 1:01 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Alphaunit1 wrote: Although the new rake structure is still in place, they have revised their Player points system. The change will take place on 9/7. They are upping the points that you can earn, including a lot of fractional point situations, but they are also increasing the number of points per dollar you need to get as well.
For $2/$4 and $3/$6 players, it looks like it may be a bit of a reduction from 7x to 6x (overall); but I haven't really analyzed it in depth yet. This will definitely have an impact on the Hollywood poker promotion, which just went from a 15x to 25x, but with increased point earning abilities.... who the heck knows. I think Gonzo is going to be getting a headache figuring this out.
From their site:
Code: On Wednesday, September 7, 9 AM ET the Player Points structure will change! The new structure will look like this:
Rake Player Points
<$0.05 &nbs... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at September 5, 2005, 1:00 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | ARRGH!!!
Now this will be a 12X bonus!?
The ONLY redeeming feature I could find in the increased rake structure was the more rapid accumulation of points. Now they have fucked that up too.
Still like it Gonzo?
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| Posted by: Alphaunit1 at September 5, 2005, 12:02 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Although the new rake structure is still in place, they have revised their Player points system. The change will take place on 9/7. They are upping the points that you can earn, including a lot of fractional point situations, but they are also increasing the number of points per dollar you need to get as well.
For $2/$4 and $3/$6 players, it looks like it may be a bit of a reduction from 7x to 6x (overall); but I haven't really analyzed it in depth yet. This will definitely have an impact on the Hollywood poker promotion, which just went from a 15x to 25x, but with increased point earning abilities.... who the heck knows. I think Gonzo is going to be getting a headache figuring this out.
From their site:
Code: On Wednesday, September 7, 9 AM ET the Player Points structure will change! The new structure will look like this:
Rake Player Points
<$0.05 &n... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: noidroid at September 1, 2005, 3:50 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | I've played $1-$1NL at PR for a long time and I think this new structure is GREAT for me.
The more I think about my playing style at this site, the more I like this new rake structure. Them taking less out of my big pots might counteract the extra rake they're taking out of medium pots, but the extra pts I'm earning definately makes up for it. This bonus clears much faster at these limits, and I'm loving it.
I need to play there some more to tell for sure whether I'm actually even paying more in rake. I'm TP A, win about 5% of the hands, and the majority of the pots I win at this site are large(>$20).
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| Posted by: Gonzo787 at September 1, 2005, 9:44 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | maybedinero wrote: Does everything on here apply to Hollywood Poker the same as PokerRoom?
I'm thinking there could be a silver lining here:
Unpopular rake restructuring ---> Less 2+2ers and BWs ---> Better Fish:Whore ratio.
BW Exclusive Hollywood bonus-- 1000% up to $10,000 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: maybedinero at September 1, 2005, 7:52 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Does everything on here apply to Hollywood Poker the same as PokerRoom?
I'm thinking there could be a silver lining here:
Unpopular rake restructuring ---> Less 2+2ers and BWs ---> Better Fish:Whore ratio. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at September 1, 2005, 12:48 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | porkrind wrote: Any chance the bonus gird will get updated with the new rake/bonus structures at Poker Room and Crypto skins? With a new month starting my strategory for BWing is in flux.
The grid has been updated. Here are the new rates I came up with for the 7x bonus. Check the Hollywood review for the 9x and 15x rates.
Green denotes an increase in hourly rate, red a decrease
7x points bonus
$.25-$.25 No Limit $0.62 $0.73
$.50-$.50 No Limit $2.07 $2.42
$1-$1 No Limit $4.25 $5.26
$2-$2 No Limit $3.78 $5.28
$4-$4 No Limit $4.99 $5.91
$6-$6 No Limit $5.28 $6.23
$10-$10 No Limit $5.64 $6.66
$20-$20 No Limit $4.96 $5.85
$.50-$1.00 Limit $2.10 $2.46
$1-$2 Limit $3.80 $4.95
$2-$4 Limit $5.53 $7.47
$3-$6 Limit $6.58 $9.26
$5-$10 Limit $6.51 $9.61
$10-$20 & Up Limit $6.76 $10.07 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bluffy-Girl at August 31, 2005, 8:42 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | fluffwhore wrote: A Pokerroom Rep just posted in the 2+2 Internet, re point earning rate:
Quote: The overall drop in player points received is an effect we did not anticipate, intend nor did it surface during our extensive analysis. The Player Points system will therefore undergo an overhaul to adjust to the new structure and distribute more points.
Link to thread: http://tinyurl.com/aatkl
What difference does it make if they fix the points, if they are charging almost twice as much rake? If I were them, I would also be more than willing to fix the points, if I thought the players would buy the rake increase!
http://www.pokerroom.com/pokah/forum/messageBody.php?threadNumber=74266&setRead=true | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 31, 2005, 7:24 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | | Any chance the bonus gird will get updated with the new rake/bonus structures at Poker Room and Crypto skins? With a new month starting my strategory for BWing is in flux. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ditmemay at August 31, 2005, 7:19 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | | im half way through my reload bonus. 600 more points left. anyone know if i can withdraw and still keep bonus. im not gonna finish the bonus till the fix the god damn points. rakes a joke also. fing bs | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Morrison at August 31, 2005, 2:33 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | BCsparky wrote: Where's largeeyes
I think Pokerroom is a deserving winner of the much coveted award.
GREED + STUPIDITY = loss of customer base
Sounds to me like they are trying to correct it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BCsparky at August 31, 2005, 2:04 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Where's largeeyes
I think Pokerroom is a deserving winner of the much coveted award.
GREED + STUPIDITY = loss of customer base
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| Posted by: fluffwhore at August 31, 2005, 12:03 pm | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | A Pokerroom Rep just posted in the 2+2 Internet, re point earning rate:
Quote: The overall drop in player points received is an effect we did not anticipate, intend nor did it surface during our extensive analysis. The Player Points system will therefore undergo an overhaul to adjust to the new structure and distribute more points.
Thought you all would like to know.
Personally I will hold off clearing this one for a couple of days (plenty of time anyway).
Link to thread: http://tinyurl.com/aatkl | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Gonzo787 at August 31, 2005, 10:08 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | porkrind wrote: Half way thru the 15X bonus on the HP skin playing 2/4. This makes it almost impossible to clear at anything less than 3/6.
I agree that the new rake schedule is unfortunate, but I cleared more points playing 1/2 than I ever had in a 2.5 hour period-- almost 500 points playing 6 tables. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 31, 2005, 10:01 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | | I posted a negative comment about the rake structure on the Hollywood Poker forum and it is no longer there. I looked all through the forum and found no recent negative comments other than the 'this site is rigged' thread. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: porkrind at August 31, 2005, 8:01 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Half way thru the 15X bonus on the HP skin playing 2/4. This makes it almost impossible to clear at anything less than 3/6. Way to go PR changing the rules midstride........ Total Freaking BS.
The site may not be rigged but deceptive bonus/rake structures are just as bad. Russ G is gonna love this. lol | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bluffy-Girl at August 31, 2005, 7:58 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | here's my post on their forum . . .
RE: YOUR NEW RAKE SUCKS
August 31, 2005 at 10:50:24
As if these guys don't make enough MILLIONS as it is. And then to try to sneak it through by structuring it differently. The rake should be going down, not up, as they take advantage of economies of scale. I'm outta here. There are plenty of other sites to choose from. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MFMurphy00 at August 31, 2005, 7:35 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Gentlemen:
Just had a chance to review your new rake structure for NL Texas Hold'em games. I believe that the effective rake here at the Poker Room is now MUCH higher than other poker sites. Therefore, I have withdrawn my funds and will urge others to do so. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cha Ngo at August 31, 2005, 6:52 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | I started a thread on their weak-ass Pokah - Suggestions forum. Make sure you stop by and bump it with a suitable rant before you cash out.
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| Posted by: Bluffy-Girl at August 31, 2005, 5:29 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Well, I couldn't figure out how to get these to line up, but hopefully you can still make sense of it. I came up with a matrix to give you a sense of how much rake would be taken under the new schedule, at each limit and for various pot sizes. I also show the rake in % terms. I only did this for limit ring games, with more than 4 players.
First, small pot sizes . . .
Code:
Limit BB
1-2 1 Pot Sz 3 5 7 9 11
$ Rake 0.10 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.40
% Rake 3.3% 8.0% 5.7% 4.4% 3.6%
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| Posted by: Baseballer02 at August 31, 2005, 1:04 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | fluffwhore wrote: On the up side, the 2/4 games were quite a bit softer today.
I'll probably still whore them if the bonus works out to be more than the rake, just out of principle.
The 2/4 games at pokerroom are some of the weirdest I've seen. Some of the tightest tables I've ever seen preflop, but yet the players play atrocious postflop. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fluffwhore at August 31, 2005, 12:58 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | On the up side, the 2/4 games were quite a bit softer today.
I'll probably still whore them if the bonus works out to be more than the rake, just out of principle. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: asws2004 at August 31, 2005, 12:19 am | | Topic: new pokerroom rake structure! Forum: Bonus Whores | Long time reader, first time poster....I play on PR and its skins quite a bit (I guess my rakeback program at BetonBet just got a little better, but I'm sure they'll phase that out soon) and this pisses me off because they're jacking up the rake while simultaneously making it harder to clear bonuses.
I just played 100 hands at 2/4 and yeah, it's a small sample size and the tables were real tight, but here's a comparison:
New structure - 40 PR points, $74.20 rake
avg rake - $1.06 out of avg pot size of $18.52 - 5.7%
If it was still the Old Structure - 51 PR points, $54.50 rake
avg rake - $0.77 out of avg pot size of $18.52 - 4.15%
I assume that PT avg pot size only counts hands w/ a flop, cause that's how they calculate avg rake. This was also a tight table - the rake % number is a little high cause the pots weren't too big, but still.
I also assumed you can still get partial PR points - I assigned .5 a point for every raked hand of .80 (of whic... | | Read Entire Entry |
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