| Posted by: CasinoNow at February 12, 2002, 3:57 pm | | Topic: chargebacks Forum: Winner Online |
Dave,
As usual, your remarks are well thought out, intelligent and appreciated. I guess we just disagree on this.
In reference to Surefire, or most any other processor, yes, they will simply put the card into a negative database. However, I don't believe that it is their right or responsibility to take it any farther than that, because, ultimately, it is the merchant that suffers damages as a result. So, it is the individual merchant's obligation to initiate any investigation or complaints with authorities, which is not likely, but not impossible.
Also, it does not really matter much that it is a gambling transaction or even a person not present claim. The issues of credit card fraud are not limited to those circumstances. All that would matter is that goods or services were purchased and received, and then payment refused, which also happened to cause the merchant additional losses through processing fees. I suppose that they could jump on the "I didn't authorize" bandwagon, but I would bet that in most cases, a history of charge backs with that excuse, but no cancelling of cards or requests for replacements, would expose that excuse for what it really is.
As far as the CH case goes, that's an interesting point. It has been a ery long time since I read anything about her, so I'll have to look up some old sources on it. However, as my faint memory of her recalls, I thought her claim was based on the theory that Visa was allowing her to break the law by funding/facilitating illegal wagering transactions. Wasn't it also a direct suit against Visa that had nothing to do with charge backs? (Just asking on that one)
That's not quite the same as a win based on gambling debts not being enforceable. What do you suppose would happen if I were to take out a 30 day marker at the Bellagio for $5k and not repay? Or, if I were to pay with credit card, and then dispute? The first would probably just get me banned from the casino, but I would bet the latter would call for more serious action.
Jerry Garner
GamingBroadcast.com
jerry@gamingbroadcast.com
[This message has been edited by CasinoNow (edited 02-12-2002).]
[This message has been edited by CasinoNow (edited 02-12-2002).]
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