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Posted by: KX at January 7, 2003, 2:47 pm

Topic: Cryptologic Software - Fair? Forum: Winner Online

Quote: Originally Posted by gamblinboi:
wow it's amazing the lack of technical knowledge about RNG and PRNG and the myths that persist out in the lay world.

Agreed.

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RNG stands for Random Number Generator. Picture it as a black box (either a hardware black box or just a "magical software black box") and it's only output is a stream of numbers that is random. By random, i mean it's impossible to guess the next one out even if you've tracked millions of numbers that came out before it. For a casino, a random number generator is typically a hardware device. For example, a hardware RNG could be a device that detects the decay of a radioactive isotope (due to quantum mechanics, it's impossible to predict when the decay will occur, and hence is completely random).

You say casinos typically use a hardware device. Do you know this for a fact? The only casino software I KNOW use hardware based RNGs is Boss Media.

Isn´t it wrong to claim that you can´t predict the next number after a million numbers have passed in the case of a software based RNG? As far as I know it depends on the length of the cycle. Isn´t it impossible to make software based RNGs that does not cycle (although it´s possible to program so it takes a VERY long time before it occurs...).

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Now, as for PRNG - pseudo-random nubmer generators. Contrary to what was posted above, pretty much every modern operating system (Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, etc.) has a random number generator built into it, based on software. The generator is a bunch of algorithms that take a pseudo random seed (eg, the current time, mouse movements, keyboard movements, etc.) and from that seed generate a random number. This isn't just useful for online casinos, but for other things in your computer as well (eg, network access ia a network card for collision avoidance and a host of other uses).

Didn´t know that. But has anyone claimed that there is NOT an RNG incorporated into different OS?

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What does it mean to rig a Random Number Generator? Well, it means that hte numbers aren't so random. EG, instead of having a normal distribution of say odd numbers to even numbers, more odd numbers could be generated (you could see how this might be more beneficial to the roullette player than the casino! :> ) or perhaps more lower numbers could come out s higher numbers (more beneficial to the casino in say a game of blackjack). There are many other ways to "rig" the RNG, but imo this is much more complicated than other methods that could be used to cheat a player. For instance, CASINOBAR cheats. Their random number generator is probably a standard RNG or PRNG, but their software was developed to give the dealer a better chance of not busting - hence ignoring the RNG's output and trying again.

Yepp, this is truly a fascinating part. I firmly believe that several players out there think that a fair RNG equals fair software. Just like you say it would be much easier to use a fair RNG but program the software to increase the odds of the dealer.

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