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Posted by: KasinoKing at August 23, 2007, 4:49 am

Topic: Ecogra helps a casino to rob me! Forum: Winner Online

Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I find your responses confused. You say you support their right to carry this rule, but you don't support them when they invoke it rob someone. FL carry this rule, and they invoked it to rob a player. You can't both support and not support them. You in fact support it, and the answer to 2) is "yes".

Of course, you're back to playing your semantic game - you don't support them to "rob", you just support them to "withhold cashouts". This is the same sematic game you've tried to play from the beginning, and it's not getting any more convincing through repetition.

Yes, you are quite right; repeating everything over & over is a total waste of time. You obviously have your personal iew of what is right, fair & proper in this world, and I have mine. Nothing you say will change my mind, and nothing I say will change yours.
Let's just agree to disagree & get on with our lives, shall we?

The only thing I wish to repeat is a ery brief summary of my personal iew & interpretation of the particular case which was the original subject matter for this thread in the first place (as some people seem to have forgotten about that - including me! ), and to comment on the above quoted section.

The subject of this thread:
1) The casino has a rule which says 'if you place your entire balance of deposit+bonus in a single bet, we reserve the right to withhold your winnings'.
2) The player placed his entire balance of deposit+bonus on a single bet (on roulette).
3) The casino withheld the winnings.
4) Because the player broke a rule, I could not criticise the casino’s decision.
5) The eCogra statement citing the WAR play as abusive and a reason to withhold winnings is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. I share your condemnation of their ludicrous statement.

Regarding the quote from Caruso above:
1) It seems Caruso wants me to keep on repeating this for some reason, so here you are; In my opinion casinos can have any goddamn rules they want - if you don't like the rules, don't sign up there.

2) I fail to see why interpreting English in the popular way, as defined for example by most dictionaries, is 'semantic'...

This is my understanding of the term 'rob'; To take without permission, something from someone which rightfully belongs to that person. Do you have a different meaning?

My opinion is that the player increased his credit balance by breaking a rule (as described above), therefore forfeiting his right to the ownership of those chips as defined by the T&C's.
Why is that such a controversial opinion?

I would like to add, that in my time I have myself broken, bent & twisted casino rules and found loop-holes in T&C's for bonuses, which I used to make profit. Sometimes I got away with breaking the rules, sometimes I got caught. But I never complained when I got caught. It's just a game; like in football - if players can get away with a rough tackle behind the ref's back, he's laughing. But if it's spotted he gets the yellow card. Fair do's - no point bitching & whining about it.

Closing comments;
Caruso, you asked me 3 questions and I answered them honestly, as I always will.

And yet you still try to force your own (different) interpretation on my answers!
"You can't both support and not support them. You in fact support it, and the answer to 2) is "yes". "
Trying to force me to say "yes". Well the answer is not yes, the answer is quite definitely "NO", it always has been no and it always will be no.
No person or organisation anywhere ever has the right to rob, steal, take without permission, something which rightfully belongs to someone else.

If you want to see an example where a casino really IS robbing a player, take a look at this thread:-
http://www.onlinecasinoreviewer.com...-me-4950-a.html

And finally;
You just could not resist that little dig in the last paragraph could you. It has been noted.
I'm not even going to comment actually, I don't really feel I need to defend myself against the likes of you. Others can read all these posts & make up their own minds which of us is the bigoted narrow-minded one.
All I will do in retaliation is give you a little sign-off!
(No casino adds, no affy links on that page)

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