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Posted by: caruso at August 17, 2007, 2:11 pm

Topic: Ecogra helps a casino to rob me! Forum: Winner Online

Quote: Originally Posted by KasinoKing
You, me, caruso, the casino and the player involved all know his play was a deliberate pre-meditated attempt to 'abuse' this bonus.

Don't be putting words in my mouth or Joeyl's. You are speaking as a committed Microgaming affiliate, who carries all Fortune Lounge casinos on his site. You are not remotely impartial. You have a ested, financial interest in supporting this casino. This needs to be well bourne in mind when reading your comments.

The rule in question - nothing left out but bet examples:

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Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns...which all shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes.

Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets using your entire or the majority of your account balance, where the majority of that balance is made up of bonus balance. The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play" for bonus play-through requirement purposes from time-to-time and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet bonus play-through requirements.

"Irregular playing patterns" is just a substitute for "bonus abuse". eCOGRA said "can the bonus abuse chat", so Fortune Lounge found an alternative expression. They still mean "bonus abuse".

1) Even if they limited it to "one big bet", this would be nonsensical and no reputable regulator would condone this. Fortunately, they have eCOGRA.

2) As it stands, with the addition of "not limited to" and all the other "at our discretion" nonsense, the casino is saying "If we don't like the way you bet, we reserve the right to rob you". That is what "withhold cashouts" means. It's a euphemism for "rob". I like the word "rob" because it accurately conveys the concept. Of course, the casino tap-dances around it with euphemistic language.

Don't play semantic games with me or anyone else here. It won't wash. You are saying that Fortune Lounge is entitled to say "We reserve the right to rob you at our discretion", and then rob at their discretion when they choose as per that rule. The fact that those are not the precise words is irrelevant. That is the exact meaning of those words:

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The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play"...and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred

Sorry, but this is a rogue rule which no regulated or reputable casino could or would carry; it can only be implemented by a rogue casino; you support rogue casinos, and are therefore a rogue affiliate. It's as simple as that.

Your gross hypocrisy in saying words to the precise effect of "My type of bonus abuse is acceptable but his isn't" is also well noted. Give me an honest "bonus abuser" over a hypocrite any day.

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