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Posted by: KasinoKing at August 17, 2007, 8:08 am

Topic: Ecogra helps a casino to rob me! Forum: Winner Online

Copied from the wrong thread to here:-
This post was address to me;
Quote: Originally Posted by caruso
I give up.

1) The casino carries the "we reserve the right to rob you at our discretion" rule - the "irregular betting patterns" etc one.

2) You said the casino is entitled to invoke this rogue rule. You also support eCOGRA in saying the casino is entitled to invoke any and all rules, however rogue. As long as the rule is on the site, it doesn't matter how rogue the rule is, you support it.

What is incorrect?

OK.
Caruso has either not read my posts properly, has read them and only seen what he wants to see and not what was actually written, or he is just deliberately trying to wind me up (which would not be a first). Possibly all three!

So for his benefit I will spell it out one last time.

Regarding the quote above:
1) Yes, the casino T&C's do carry a rule, part of which is totally unacceptable. In my opinion one part of the rule being unacceptable does not make the whole rule, or other rules become unacceptable.

2) The bold bit; No I did not say that and I challenge you to quote from the post where you claim that I did.
2) The other bit, about eCOGRA; I can't believe what you wrote! That is slanderous or libelous (which ever one it is ). A totally unfounded and unjustifiable statement, ie; bollocks.

OK, I will explain one last time. Please try to pay attention this time.

The casino said this:-
Quote:

You purchased £60 and redeemed the sign up offer of £90 on the 6th of July 2007.
On the 11th of July you started wagering and placed 3 wagers on the game of Roulette. The 3 bets amounted to £150 (the deposit and bonus combined)
You won £300 on each of your 3 wagers

To my knowledge no one has denied this to be true (not even Caruso amazingly!)

Now correct me if I'm wrong (like I need to ask!) but the above statement means the player, after depositing, went straight to roulette and placed his entire balance of deposit & bonus combined (£150) on one bet (presumably Black, Red or some other even-money shot)
His bet returned £300.

He then did the exact same thing twice more and won both.

Lucky bastard!
My personal iew is that after 3 such ballsy bets, risking everything on the first one, he deserves to keep the money!
But my opinion is not what counts here, it's whether he broke any rules.

Right then, the casino rules say this (the bold bit is the important bit);
Quote:

Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns e.g . playing of equal, zero margin bets or hedge betting, which all shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes.

Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets using your entire or the majority of your account balance, where the majority of that balance is made up of bonus balance. The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play" for bonus play-through requirement purposes from time-to-time and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet bonus play-through requirements.

I agree with Caruso & others that the non bolded bits are 'wishy-washy' at best and total bollocks at worst.
But that is irreverent to the point I tried to make right back at the beginning of this thread;

The player clearly broke the unambiguous bolded part of the rule above.
It is on this count, and this count only, that I support the casinos decision.

I don't like it. You don't like it. You can bet the player doesn't like it!
But he broke the rules, and as such he must expect to receive the punishment.

Are we done now?
Or maybe you would like to start arguing that black is white, the earth is banana-shaped or the moon is made of cheese...?

KK.

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