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Posted by: aliengenius at July 29, 2007, 6:01 pm

Topic: I got some more books Forum: Card Chat

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Quote: Originally Posted by bob_tiger

Ok first off i want to tell you this, "Cardschat members are not worth my effort" << this right here is completely bs because i do take the time to read everything and i would say about 90% of my posts are reasonable and are not just stupid. You might not agree with my opinions 100% because you might think differently but i will say what i think. I'm not a type of person that will agree with everyone just to look good. Even if 10 people think the answer is yes and i think the answer is no i will stick to no and i don't care what the other 10 think. ( I have the right to say my own opinion)

It isn't about your opinion being different, nor reading someones post. That is both fine and, in fact, encouraged. Good debates are one of the best parts of a forum. Rather, taking the time to capitalize/type out your words is the "effort" I was referring to.

Ok second, Yes i do agree with you about this is a not a chat room and not a text message and I'm trying to change my habit of typing u instead of you, the reason i type u is because i'm a ery fast typer and when I'm typing it just automatically happens and im trying to change that because yes it would be much easier for everyone to read my posts,threads and everything else.

So just slow down a little. If you are a fast typer then two extra character shouldn't effect your speed that much anyway.

Also i do agree that I'm not ery good at explaining stuff and my spelling is not ery good either but we are not here to make fun of someone's spelling, even though when i read your post i saw couple of spelling errors. Like for example even your last sentence "defiantly not" defianlty should be spelled as definitely if you think im wrong you should look it up in the dictionary because i know how to spell that word for a fact. But what im trying to say is this when we are typing fast we might misspell a word because we are typing fast and not every word is going to be perfect. Like something we dont see, someone else might read it and find the mistake, but my point is the person thats reading this can still understand what we are trying to say even with the mistake.

I wasn't talking about spelling errors. Obviously everyone will make the occasional error. I am talking about purposefully misspelled (usually shortened) words.

Ok, and now about your books. Yes books do help, even though i havent read any i know little bit of stuff thats in them and i agree with a lot of it. And here is another reason im not a fan of books is because a lot of books are designed most for live playing rather than online even though information is ery close.

I really don't think most books differentiate between live s online play. Most of them are trying to get across fundamental ideas about poker.

Also i believe that its how you use the book in your play is what effects you the most. ( i hope that made sense). like i said in my last post i know people that have used book and actually won big money but it wasnt the book or the writer that was playing ( it was the player), so what I'm saying is you have to know what to use from the book in what kind of situations. Books just teach you the main stuff and you have to learn the details on your own ( for example, what kind of hands your opponents will most likely to play, and when your opponent will bluff and stuff like that) i know the books dont have all of those details but they do have what you need to learn those details and what to look for.

The reason i don't read books is not because i think im the best poker player out there and i know everything, its just because i prefer learning from my own and like the last poster said, i read a lot of info in the forums.
I read everyone's different point of iew and i think how is that possible and that process goes through my mind. I also like to watch poker on t and i like to see how players play because i see their cards it helps me. Also i have watched one of those shoot outs ft replays on stars and saw the players cards and watched how they would play with certain cards. This is how i learn on my own. I also have played a lot of tournaments and a lot of sit n gos. So Yes experience does help but you also have to know how to adjust to the table and how to use your style at that table.

Reading the forums is certainly an excellent way to learn. Playing is also necessary. Watching t can be ok, if you understand the context (short handed, high blinds usually).

As to "preferring" learning on your own, that's your call, but you should understand that it can't possibly be a better way.

Quote: Originally Posted by aliengenius

Additive. "If I have seen further than other men, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants." --Sir Issac Newton. Schoonmaker gives another example: it took a genius in Euclid to develop geometry, but we learn it easliy and quickly in high school.

Surely you don't think that highly of yourself to claim that you can "figure out" poker simply through your own (necessarily) limited experience, do you?
You can't reasonably claim that leaning something like the basic math of odds is easier to do on your own, or to do individually everytime you run into a situation, rather than memorizing the more commen ones from a chart, can you?
You don't think that you are smarter than someone like Mason Malmuth, and that he and his statistical background can't teach you anyting, do you?
You didn't come up with tournament concepts like "M" and "Inflection Points" on your own, did you?

Thinking that you are "just fine" with your own personal playing experience is utterly ridiculous:

1. You are not smarter than everyone who has ever played the game. You wont figure all this stuff out on your own.

2. Even if you are you will learn much faster and take advanced concepts much father if you do read previous thinkers' works (see the Newton quote above).

3. The human mind is prone to recall bias and self delusion. Even the most brilliant of minds will be hindered by these human flaws, which will, at the ery least, slow down your learning and/or understanding of
the game if you are simply attempting to master poker on your own.

So, as you can plainly see, anyone who is serious about their poker game needs to study the works of those who understand the game.

Is experience necessary for mastery of the game of poker? Absolutely. Is it sufficient for mastery of the game of poker? Defiantly NOT.

And last, if i didnt care, i wouldn't take the time to read the posts and take the time to type everything out and actually put my mind into it, and i would really appreciate if you wouldn't make fun of my spelling or my grammar because im working on it and improving a lot, and I will definitely try to make this a habit to spell everything out and and do my best at spelling and slow down at my typing because i 100% agree with you about it making more sense to the person who reads it.

Good. I'm glad you are willing to make an effort. Other members of the forum will appreciate it when they read your posts, and you will get your point across much better. You might also familiarize yourself with your 'shift' keys .

and when i posted in here i didnt mean to be an asshole or rude or anything like that it just pisses me off when someone tries to be smart and make fun of my spelling even though i can go through your posts and find spelling errors too. (nobody is perfect).

Again, it wasn't your spelling or grammar, it was your 'shorthand' (for lack of a better word).
Ok thats all i had to say. I hope my posts make sense and i did my best on it. Thx

I am glad you see some of the points I was trying to make, and seem already to have put some more effort into your contributions to Cardschat.

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