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Posted by: Casinomeister at July 3, 2006, 7:32 am

Topic: bellerock being akward over ID - locked accs and no payouts. Forum: Casino Meister

Quote: Originally Posted by scrollock

bryan, you mentioned earlier in the thread that you compare this with other "fraud rings" you have come across in the past, i trust your instinct in these matters, but can i ask, if this is a fraud ring why arnt we talking 5,10, 20 or even more accounts being opened from the same computer or source, from what ive read it seems to be 2 accounts (maybe 3) that have matched up in each case and neither you or the casino have said ALL of these accounts are linked, just 2 or 3 in each separate case, something which you would expect from my arguments above.

this post is not exonerate these individuals, but likewise i think we should all keep an open mind before passing judgement.

I think I am being as fair as possible. If people want to use the resources that are available here, or to use my FREE service of mediating problems, then these individuals need to be upfront with their activities, and expect that I will push to get answers.

I also don't work from an empty desk. I have records going back a number of years on casino scams, player fraud schemes, etc. But even so, I try to look at each case with fresh eyes, giving the player the benefit of the doubt. But when things don't jive, what am supposed to do?

ManrcHolmes and Furby were not upfront with me. After being notified that their computer IDs are being used by several individuals they act surprised (and these are experienced bonus players who read Terms and Conditions?) . Furby disappears in a huff, and MarcHolmes says it's possible because he plays at work on a computer that perhaps 400 people have access to.

I thought about this over the weekend, and I remembered a poll I put up sometime ago:
Where do you play most? at work or at home?

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...play-most.html

Mostly at work. 1 1.69%
At work and at home 4 6.78%
Mostly at home 54 91.53%
I play mostly on other computers - school, libraries, neighbors and friends, etc. 0 0%

For the "work and at home" category, one of those players is me - since playing is work (and isa ersa ). Another one of these persons is a webmaster, so I figure he's doing the same thing.

Which leaves us with what? One member plays at work - 91% of the members play at home. And no one plays in shared environments. This is just an indicator of player behavior and is not meant to negate MarcHolmes claim that he and several mysterious co-workers are playing from the same computer - but it goes to show that the chances for this are rather bleak.

How are we to not swayed to think he knowingly opened these accounts at home on his own computer? How are we to believe that he did this at work on a computer used by a shitload of people - and without being seen?

As for the number of fraudulent accounts being linked. It looks like around 60+ accounts, but it's complex and web-like. It's probably a group of college students (usually is) who share info, identities, docs, etc., and try to make some quick cash scamming bonuses with fake accounts. Furby's issue was separate but still scammy.

Please note: I haven't come out and stated "you are a fraudster" to any of these people. But I am having a difficult time exercising my suspension of disbelief.

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